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Old 02-28-2005, 07:05 AM   #1
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New Bush Litmus Test For AIDS Funding

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...aK2Dm4,00.html

"Many AIDS organizations are reluctant to issue a statement condemning prostitution because they work closely with prostitutes on health initiatives such as distributing condoms. The groups say such official stigmatization would increase the women's isolation, making it harder for them to receive AIDS prevention and treatment services. Many nongovernmental organizations in the AIDS field are critical of the administration moves.

"This is another salvo in the campaign that the administration and its fellow conservatives are undertaking to create more and more litmus tests and blacklists of those they're willing to do business with," said Susan Cohen, director of government affairs for the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a private think tank that does research on sexual and reproductive health and favors abortion rights."
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Every time I think this administration couldn't sink any lower something like this pops up.
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Does he not get it? He's not really paying very much attention to the model his friend Jesus set forth.
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Does he not get it? He's not really paying very much attention to the model his friend Jesus set forth.
a-hem...

25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

yeah, great model.
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25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

yeah, great model.
Oh how so many fall into the trap of poorly translated language. The passage does not mean hate but that you'll have to love God more than your family.

But that's not what this thread is about, I was simply making the reference to how Jesus reached out and befriended prostitutes offen at the scorn of the Pharisees and that maybe Bush could learn a lesson from someone he claims to know so well.

If you would like to start a new thread about Jesus be my guest.
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love your imaginary friend more than your family? as if it isn't a mental disorder.
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Look I know you're new here but we try to keep threads on subject.

Like I said another thread.
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I have no faith in this administration to do anything good, let alone actually help Africa the way it needs to be helped(I know this thread isn't only about Africa but it's part of the same thing). I know Bush and co. have promised a lot of money for Africa, multiple times, but has any of it actually gotten there yet? If it hasn't, I doubt it will under this administration.

Like Bono says, this is an emergency, there is no time for a president to let his personal and religious views get in the way of helping people with AIDs in Africa or anywhere else. It doesn't matter if prostitutes and/or the lack of protection may be somewhat responsible for the sheer number of people with AIDs, it DOES NOT MATTER, what matters is trying to find a way to treat this monster and save literally millions and millions and millions of lives. If any religion makes that wrong, it is not worth believing in. Furthermore, if you are so blinded by your religion that you interpret parts of that religion to fit your own agendas, then you are not fit to lead a lemonade stand let alone a country.
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very well said namkcuR

There's no place for moral judgments in this situation. I don't understand how anyone could meet anyone who has AIDS and still maintain such a ridiculous litmus test.
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This is disgusting.
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Does he not get it? He's not really paying very much attention to the model his friend Jesus set forth.
Jesus did not condemn the prostitute and neither does Bush.

He's condemning prostitution, as would Jesus.

Like it or not, he's in charge. When he hands over large sums of money to try to fix a problem, it's his duty to try to make sure the money is well spent. Whether you agree or not, he believes it is foolish to give money away for AIDS relief and not promote abstinence at the same time
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it's his duty to try to make sure the money is well spent.
Haha...good one.

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Jesus did not condemn the prostitute and neither does Bush.

He's condemning prostitution, as would Jesus.

Like it or not, he's in charge. When he hands over large sums of money to try to fix a problem, it's his duty to try to make sure the money is well spent. Whether you agree or not, he believes it is foolish to give money away for AIDS relief and not promote abstinence at the same time
One reached out and helped them and one is choosing not to. One did not discriminate when helping and one does. This is about lives not some abstinence agenda.
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Look I know you're new here but we try to keep threads on subject.

Like I said another thread.
Please do not feed the trolls.
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One reached out and helped them and one is choosing not to. One did not discriminate when helping and one does. This is about lives not some abstinence agenda.
Bush is choosing not to help? How much $$$ is he sending?

Which HIV+ Africans is Bush discriminating against?

Abstinence doesn't save lives?

Personally, I don't think Jesus has anything to do with it.

It's not a very sound argument to compare Jesus to the governmental policies of the leader of the free world. Jesus didn't deal with governments, he dealt with individuals.
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