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Old 03-02-2005, 12:16 AM   #46
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As long as the prostitutes and clients involved are consenting adults, and they're all void of any diseases (which people would be able to be tested for if this were legalized and regulated) and they're not with anybody else, and nobody intends on hurting anybody else in this situation, I don't see why people should care whether or not they go off and have sex together.

because if something feels icky to us we should ignore all logic behind it .





Seriously though, why is prostitution illegal and pornography not? They are both basically the same thing, having sex for money.
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I find all this pro-prostitution/legalize everything nonsense over the top.

If there is an issue, why is the answer always "let's make x legal?"
This is very similar to something I was thinking about very recently.

Conservatives have a hard time making anything legal that they wouldn't APPARENTLY use. (I say apparant because I know hypocrites who are conservatives who back certain agendas or laws but don't practice them themselves)

They have a hard time thinking outside the box. They feel as if banning everything they don't "believe" in will somehow make it go away.

If we don't talk about sex, our kids will stop having it.

If we ban gay marriage we don't have to recognize them as being gay.

If we ban pot our kid won't smoke it.

But the fact is prostitution is called the oldest profession for a reason. No one history has ever been able to stop it.

There are somethings in life that if legalized and regulated can save a lot more lives in the long run than if we just allow the streets to run them. One may not agree with prostitution, but can agree that regulating it will slow down the spread of disease, crime, etc. One does not need to agree with abortion personally but sees that until we reach a better world than having it legal and under regulation will save more lives in the long run. Same with pot. Etc.

Conservatives tend to think in their world. I'm religious, I shouldn't have sex before marriage therefore no one shouldn't, therefore we won't educate the kids.

Prostitution is morally wrong, I don't use it, so keeping it illegal doesn't affect me.

While liberals tend to think a little more globally. I may stress to my child abstinence but I know there are many kids who won't grow up religious or see the effects sex will have on their lives therefore I want them educated so they can make the right decistions.

I don't personally believe in prostitution but regulating it will save lives.

I don't know, just my whole take on it right now.
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As long as the prostitutes and clients involved are consenting adults, and they're all void of any diseases (which people would be able to be tested for if this were legalized and regulated) and they're not with anybody else, and nobody intends on hurting anybody else in this situation, I don't see why people should care whether or not they go off and have sex together.
Unfortunately, the harm caused is not limited to what is intended by the "consenting adults".

Consider the bigger picture and realize that harm exists at many levels.
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"Seriously though, why is prostitution illegal and pornography not? They are both basically the same thing, having sex for money."

First off, I agree with this concept completely. They are very much the same thing, and they are a perversion to society.

How does the government discourage the practice of prostitution if we legalize it? This is trying to make a wrong a right, when instead, stricter punishments would do more to discourage the practice. Our tax dollars should not support their immoral sexual activities, rather, they should support something called LAW ENFORCEMENT, which we should have more of to begin with. Laws are here to protect people, and the majority of the laws - granted there are some dumb laws - the majority of them have a purpose to exist. Just because we can't officially END it doesn't mean we can't DISCOURAGE it.
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Unfortunately, the harm caused is not limited to what is intended by the "consenting adults".

Consider the bigger picture and realize that harm exists at many levels.

what harm? where? and to whom? what is the bigger picture you speak of?

the John might be causing harm if he is cheating on a spouse by visiting a prostitute, but that is not the fault of the prostitute or the legality of prostitution.

it works in the Netherlands.
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I was just going to ask that myself, Irvine...what harm can come if the adults are consenting, don't have diseases, and aren't tied down to anybody else or anything like that?

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and they are a perversion to society.
Correction: they are a perversion to you. Not necessarily to everyone else.

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How does the government discourage the practice of prostitution if we legalize it?
We're saying the government shouldn't discourage it-we're saying they should legalize it and regulate it so that the problems associated with it now in its illegal state-diseases, rape, and all that stuff-can be stopped. If you don't like prostitution, that's fine, nobody said you had to like it or anything like that...but as long as nobody's being hurt through this practice, I fail to see why you should try and stop them from doing what they want to do.

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Our tax dollars should not support their immoral sexual activities
Again, you see it as immoral and wrong...that's not how everyone sees it. Besides that, well, hey, ya know, I don't appreciate the fact that my parents' tax money is helping to fund a war that nobody in my household supports, but if that continues on...

Also, a to ILuvLarryMullen and BVS's posts.

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How does the government discourage the practice of prostitution if we legalize it? This is trying to make a wrong a right, when instead, stricter punishments would do more to discourage the practice. Our tax dollars should not support their immoral sexual activities, rather, they should support something called LAW ENFORCEMENT, which we should have more of to begin with. Laws are here to protect people, and the majority of the laws - granted there are some dumb laws - the majority of them have a purpose to exist. Just because we can't officially END it doesn't mean we can't DISCOURAGE it.
Pre-marital sex, cheating, divorce...all legal yet we do our best to discourage these things. We try and discourage bigotry but now we have state and federal governments who are using our tax dollars to support bigotry.
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"Seriously though, why is prostitution illegal and pornography not? They are both basically the same thing, having sex for money."

First off, I agree with this concept completely. They are very much the same thing, and they are a perversion to society.

How does the government discourage the practice of prostitution if we legalize it? This is trying to make a wrong a right, when instead, stricter punishments would do more to discourage the practice. Our tax dollars should not support their immoral sexual activities, rather, they should support something called LAW ENFORCEMENT, which we should have more of to begin with. Laws are here to protect people, and the majority of the laws - granted there are some dumb laws - the majority of them have a purpose to exist. Just because we can't officially END it doesn't mean we can't DISCOURAGE it.

i think this is a big difference between liberals and conservatives.

you don't want your tax dollars to be spent "supporting" what you consider to be immoral; i want tax dollar spent on legalizing and regulating an industry in order to decrease it's negative effects (which, like drugs, are caused not by the practice itself but by the consequences of the illegality of the practice) on society as a whole.

morality does not concern me, and i do not think it is the government's job to impose morality on it's citizens. i believe it is government's job to reduce the suffering of it's citizens -- people suffer, prostitutes suffer, because it is illegal, not because it is immoral to pay for sex. it might be immoral to pay for sex, but i don't care -- that's not for me to decide. it is for me to decide that the murder of a prostitute, the spread of STDs by men who visit prostitutes, and/or the extended criminal activities of a prostitutes pimp create problems far greater and far more tangible than said "immorality."
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morality does not concern me, and i do not think it is the government's job to impose morality on it's citizens. i believe it is government's job to reduce the suffering of it's citizens -- people suffer, prostitutes suffer, because it is illegal, not because it is immoral to pay for sex. it might be immoral to pay for sex, but i don't care -- that's not for me to decide. it is for me to decide that the murder of a prostitute, the spread of STDs by men who visit prostitutes, and/or the extended criminal activities of a prostitutes pimp create problems far greater and far more tangible than said "immorality."
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what harm? where? and to whom? what is the bigger picture you speak of?

the John might be causing harm if he is cheating on a spouse by visiting a prostitute, but that is not the fault of the prostitute or the legality of prostitution.

it works in the Netherlands.
You spotted on harm real quickly but essentially dismissed it as someone elses problem.

I guess there would be a better argument for legalizing prostitution if a convincing number of prostitutes said they led fulfilling lives in the profession.
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I guess there would be a better argument for legalizing prostitution if a convincing number of prostitutes said they led fulfilling lives in the profession.
i think we all know that's probably not the truth for the average street prostitute.

the argument for legalizing prostitution is to give these women a better quality of life, by acknowledging their existence and the dangers they face daily--exposure to disease, controlling and violent pimps and johns, drug addiction... the problem is that society (in particular the justice system) sees prostitutes as throw aways, hopeless cases. when there are raids, it's not the pimps and johns who are arrested, it's the women. the women take full brunt of the blame for the existence of prostitution, but rarely is the source of the business explored--the demand. men from all walks of life, including lawyers, politicians, judges, frequent prostitutes, but no one wants to talk about their dirty little secrets.

you've got to ask, who benefits by keeping prostitution illegal? it's not the prostitutes, that's for sure.
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And you believe that legalization will make prostitution a fulfilling career choice???
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And you believe that legalization will make prostitution a fulfilling career choice???
no, i hope that legalization will make it a safer choice for those who feel it is their only means of survival.
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well done, Dandy. i have nothing further to add.

and, yes, the harm done by a visit to the prostitute is harm done by the John, not the prostitute.
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morality does not concern me, and i do not think it is the government's job to impose morality on it's citizens. i believe it is government's job to reduce the suffering of it's citizens -- people suffer, prostitutes suffer, because it is illegal, not because it is immoral to pay for sex. it might be immoral to pay for sex, but i don't care -- that's not for me to decide. it is for me to decide that the murder of a prostitute, the spread of STDs by men who visit prostitutes, and/or the extended criminal activities of a prostitutes pimp create problems far greater and far more tangible than said "immorality."
I think this would be an excellent topic for a different thread. First, you would have to define "morality" as many of our laws define rights and wrongs.

I think we are defining the same process different ways. A government's promotion of morality can be defined as "reducing the suffering of its citizens".
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