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Old 10-18-2005, 06:31 AM   #46
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Not in your heart maybe....

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who decides what is good free speech and bad?


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So the Christian Right...excellent idea.
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So the Christian Right...excellent idea.



Is there a better way than God´s Highway..................
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I gues it's my way of the higway guys, my way or the way of the future

its the way of the futu4re, the way of the future, the way of the future, the way of the future....
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Is there a better way than God´s Highway..................
So you agree that speech should be censored and you believe the Christian Right own God's Highway?

Wow now that's a scary America.
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So you agree that speech should be censored and you believe the Christian Right own God's Highway?

Wow now that's a scary America.



Where´s the relation in that?
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Because I indicate God as the good way to follow I must accept Nazis speeches? Is this what you mean?
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Because I indicate God as the good way to follow I must accept Nazis speeches? Is this what you mean?
No I'm saying your America is a dangerous one. You believe in censoring those you don't agree with and you believe the Christian Right own "God's Highway".

What you describe is a theocracy.
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No I'm saying your America is a dangerous one. You believe in censoring those you don't agree with and you believe the Christian Right own "God's Highway".

What you describe is a theocracy.



Sorry, this what you understand, not what i say. Where have I said I must censore those I don´t agree??? Where did you get this out? This is almost funny, your way of interpretation looks like to be pretty more dangerous by putting in the mouth words never spoken..................
I refer only to that Nazi speech, which is objectivily blameworthy.
And I´m not describing theocracy, but of a life in communion with god......................
Wow, it´s incredible how people can get through your soul and talking instead of you.......
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Sorry, this what you understand, not what i say. Where have I said I must censore those I don´t agree??? Where did you get this out?
You were asked "who decides what is good free speech and what is bad?"

In a free society no one should decide this except the constitution. We can decide for ourselves what personally is good and bad, but we can't decide what's good free speech and what isn't.

Then when asked to clarify who are the "good willing souls" that will decide this you alluded to the idea you think the Christian Right are God's Highway.

So maybe now you can see where I may have come to this conclusion...
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Is God's Highway like Michael Landon in the highway to heaven, guys? Cause I am a little confused here.
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You were asked "who decides what is good free speech and what is bad?"

In a free society no one should decide this except the constitution. We can decide for ourselves what personally is good and bad, but we can't decide what's good free speech and what isn't.

Then when asked to clarify who are the "good willing souls" that will decide this you alluded to the idea you think the Christian Right are God's Highway.

So maybe now you can see where I may have come to this conclusion...



If you come to i can´t do anything for that..........because now i don´t understand what you mean. Christian Right is supposed to follow the bible, if you believe in the bible you know you should live like the bible´s explanations, but this may be another argument now, I don´t want to go further, otherwise we don´t stay on the topic.
So, you talk of the constitution, and it´s ok. But the constitution doesn´t allow to ABUSE of the freedom of speech. Claiming the freedom of speech for Nazis is nothing else than a way they can use to hide their hatred.
Good, do I have the freedom of speech?
Ok, I want to kill all, I hate white, I hate black, I hate Chinese, I want to go down on them......


Is this a good free speech? If you say I can´t descern between objectivily good and bad speeches, than no one should blame me for shouting my hatred, right?
What would you say to someone who would say shit things like that?
Oh, I respect you because you have the freedom of speech?
Should we be robots or should we be human beings with human (and possibly christian) feelings to distinguish things we can accept and not accept.
If you say I like green better than white, I like red better than blue, or other not offensive things, now this is a different way. Here you have freedom of opinion, and you can discuss so much you want.
But a Nazi speech is something you should immediately blame, what´s good in violence speeches?
Have you ever asked a Jew if Hitler left them the freedom of speech?
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Christian Right is supposed to follow the bible, if you believe in the bible you know you should live like the bible´s explanations
All Christians are suppose to follow the teachings of Christ, but many choose to bend the word to their own bigotries. So there are no absolutes(morally speaking) unto which to apply legally for a country as a whole. Especially when it comes to speech.

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So, you talk of the constitution, and it´s ok. But the constitution doesn´t allow to ABUSE of the freedom of speech. Claiming the freedom of speech for Nazis is nothing else than a way they can use to hide their hatred.
Good, do I have the freedom of speech?
Ok, I want to kill all, I hate white, I hate black, I hate Chinese, I want to go down on them......
We have all kinds of hate speech in this country. Hatred for all kinds. Some more "accepted" than others. Why should Nazi speech be considered abuse of speech, but politicians talking out against homosexuals not?

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But a Nazi speech is something you should immediately blame, what´s good in violence speeches?
If the speech incites violence then it's not protected in this country.
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Those same rights that protect bilious hate speech also protects people from government censure. If it becomes legal to silence the extremes how long is it until that limit is edged closer, with the best intentions of course. I have a problem when the rules of conversation become dictated by government, things start becoming off limits and unrest grows beneath the surface.

There is an advantage to allowing these scumbags to speak, their true nature is revealed and they are quite effectively discredited.
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Have you ever asked a Jew if Hitler left them the freedom of speech?
I'm Jewish, my parents were the only survivors of the Holocaust in their respective families and I don't *automatically* conclude from that that neo-Nazis should not be allowed to march in America in 2005...

What are your criteria for "objectively" bad speech?

(BVS, I think there may be a terminal language gap here.)
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