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Old 09-19-2004, 02:59 AM   #16
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The problem that I have is that Islamist terrorism is different from nationalist terrorism. To the Islamist you are deserving of death, an Infidel who is a legitiate target whose death is sanctioned by God. They rape and cut up little children, blow up even more. Negotiation with them is out of the question because it emboldens them and will encourage more attacks. If you give them a positivie response they will just come back later to try something more audacious. There is no detterant for these groups, people will be killed whatever you do - in this situation it is best to take the path that leads to the least deaths, which is not to negotiate - the path of appeasement is just feeding the crocodile, eventually you will be eaten.
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it is a difficult, very difficult question.........negotiating with terrorism may save 100-200-300 lives, but then? 1000, 2000, 3000 will die however, because terrorists would feel more powerful, this is the problem, there can't be negotiation with terrorism at all, you can reason with people who use common sense, but not with certain who represent a constant menace to your life, especially with "people" who don't care to die like terrorists.........but on the other hand, how may feel the ones who fall in the claws of those beasts.....
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maybe thats how parts of the middle east feel about us too.
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Should the negotiations start way before we have a hostage situation? Can they start way before the terrorists are holed up in whatever/where ever with their hostages? Can we do something to prevent it getting to this stage?
Are those people terrorists then, in this situation? I mean, at that moment they haven't done their terrible deed.
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If they are plotting an attack then I would say yes. I dont even think that terrorist is an adequate description of these monsters.

As far as prevention goes, reasoning with them and the like. I suggest we murder all the Jews, kill our children and then commit suicide - then I think they will stop attacking.
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Are those people terrorists then, in this situation? I mean, at that moment they haven't done their terrible deed.
Well I guess we need to work out first if terrorism is an action or an ideal. It is all born from what we see as irrational hatred. Can we do something while it is still at that stage, before the ideas and plans take root and become an action?
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No we cannot, there is no ammount of affirmative action that can detter these zealots. I think that when they are prepared to slice up little kids we are beyond the stage of peaceful negotiation and prevention.

Attempting to rationalize their actions because of the actions of the victim is a dangerous slope. It brings about moral relativism and the desired result, it makes the responsibility of the attack fall on the victim. If somebody is willing to kill innocent people for a cause then surely their cause must be very worthwhile and for a noble cause - that is the response given, just look at the way Palestinian terrorism is rewarded. Hamas murders 40 innocent Israelis - Arab and Jew indiscriminantly - and the next day the UN will issue a resolution condemning Israel for attempting to find a peaceful means of self defence like the security barrier.

It is harsh but we must make sure we foil every attack even if it means killing a terrorist. It is never 100% effective and people will be killed but it is the only way to deal with it short of becomming a perpetual slave to the terrorists by negotiating or submitting to all demands and just dying.
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