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Old 12-03-2004, 11:27 AM   #31
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hmmmmmmmmm ... i mean this as an honest question. could two openly gay men walk into a conservative church in, say, Oklahoma together? perhaps holding hands?

not to pick on Oklahoma. anywhere, really.
They absolutely should.

As frame of reference, our pastor calls our services a meeting of sinners anonymous.

The point is that we are all sinners and all need to be there.

A church should not take what is "sin" and call it "not sin" to be more inviting.

And a church should absolutely not turn people away because of any perceived sin.
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NBC: i totally agree that's what a church "should" do (and i'll take your word for it, as i'm sure you know much more about this than i do) but is this what would happen in reality?

or, maybe the church would be fine, but what about the congregation? would they toss a gay couple out of the service?

all hypotheticals, i know.
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Old 12-03-2004, 11:45 AM   #33
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Obviously, I can't speak for all churches. I've seen people walk out of church, but I've never seen someone thrown out of a church.

As for members of the congregation, I'm sure people get stares or other interpersonal rebuffs. Same stuff that happens outside of the church.
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Obviously, I can't speak for all churches. I've seen people walk out of church, but I've never seen someone thrown out of a church.
Same here.
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Well, since my priest is a lesbian, I would have to say that we are not throwing anyone out the door.
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Well, since my priest is a lesbian, I would have to say that we are not throwing anyone out the door.



the lord does work in mysterious ways.

i hope she doesn't get defrocked ...
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It's the Anglican church, isn't it Dreadsox?
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In my mother's church, there are several people who I know are gay (such as the church organist who has been living with the same woman for at least 50 years, although I've never heard my mother utter the L word) and it's not that her church accepts gays or doesn't accept gays, there just seems to be blatant denial that they are gay. In other words, because they go to church, they must not be gay.

But that's rural southern Virginia for you.
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Well, since my priest is a lesbian, I would have to say that we are not throwing anyone out the door.
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the lord does work in mysterious ways.

i hope she doesn't get defrocked ...
She has been an interim priest for three years.

When it became clear the vestry was considering making her our rector, she came out publicly, and it made the papers. She did not want to be chosen without being honest with the church.

She was chosen last month to become our permanent priest, and I am on the committee preparing the service next month.
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It's the Anglican church, isn't it Dreadsox?
yes, or as we call it here in the states, Episcopal.
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I went to an episcopal church when I was very young. Way back then, I thought people went to church just to get donuts!
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I went to an episcopal church when I was very young. Way back then, I thought people went to church just to get donuts!
you mean there's another reason? it was always all about the orangesquash for me.
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That's actually my true story though.
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That's actually my true story though.
mine too. and i won a packet of scampi crisps at sunday school once. that seemed like as good a reason as any to keep going. except when we moved house and it was a mile away from church and oh so cold in the notsummer.
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