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Old 12-19-2006, 11:14 PM   #46
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If humans colonise other planets it will create founder populations from which we would eventually get new species of humans, I imagine that genetic engineering (and please, we are dealing with a future in which interstellar space travel exists) could make that process quicker (in the thousands of years).
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That's a very bioconservative attitude, we could do away with degenerative diseases and improve intelligence and physical abilities.
I don't see stem cell therapy, which I fully support, as effecting evolution. I do not agree with eugenics, which is essentially what genetic engineering to select for intelligence and physical abilities would be.
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You say eugenics like it's a bad thing, when we have the technology it should be used by those that want to, it's an inevitability. If there are people willing to embrace a post-human future and groups willing to provide it then it shouldn't be stopped.
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People say it like it's a bad thing, Wanderer, because you make it sound like a very bad thing (while also making it clear you consider it a good/neutral thing).
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Ernst Rudin showed why it's a bad idea. Very fucking bad idea, actually.
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Yes brilliant comparison, pseudoscientific race pride versus the augmentation of willing participants; I fail to see whats wrong with using technology to it's full effect; you make it sound like I want to weed out some sort of inferior subspecies, that I am using an implausible threat of dysgenics to justify a form of eugenics - which I am most certainly not.

Humans have been enhancing ourselves for a long time, when the time comes that can be done on a genetic level I say bring it on.

If it's wrong because it's unneccessary then why not ban cosmetic surgery when the person isn't scarred etc. If it's wrong because it enhances them with technology then why not ban pacemakers. What is the root problem here? The idea that it wouldl create a social divide or that it violates the order of things?
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If humans colonise other planets it will create founder populations from which we would eventually get new species of humans, I imagine that genetic engineering (and please, we are dealing with a future in which interstellar space travel exists) could make that process quicker (in the thousands of years).
Excuse me.

Humans have shown, since the inception of time, that they can't even handle living respectfully on this planet. We don't respect each other, we don't respect the animal kingdom and we don't respect the environment.

Heaven forbid we start colonizing other places as well. It sounds like a horror story.
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Yes brilliant comparison, pseudoscientific race pride versus the augmentation of willing participants; I fail to see whats wrong with using technology to it's full effect; you make it sound like I want to weed out some sort of inferior subspecies, that I am using an implausible threat of dysgenics to justify a form of eugenics - which I am most certainly not.

Humans have been enhancing ourselves for a long time, when the time comes that can be done on a genetic level I say bring it on.

If it's wrong because it's unneccessary then why not ban cosmetic surgery when the person isn't scarred etc. If it's wrong because it enhances them with technology then why not ban pacemakers. What is the root problem here? The idea that it wouldl create a social divide or that it violates the order of things?
Yeah, brilliant. Let's just allow those with enough money to make their offspring smarter, stronger, and better than the offspring of everyone else. THAT won't create a subservient class at all. Willing participants or not this is a frightening concept, and I refer to eugenics as if its a bad thing because IT IS. Your eugenics WILL create "some sort of inferior subspecies" whcih if it isn't then weeded out will be made inferior/subservient/indignified.

And yeah, there is nowhere in the history books, or the respectable history books, that "dysgenics" and "eugenics" have been separated as you attempt.
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Excuse me.

Humans have shown, since the inception of time, that they can't even handle living respectfully on this planet. We don't respect each other, we don't respect the animal kingdom and we don't respect the environment.

Heaven forbid we start colonizing other places as well. It sounds like a horror story.
It;s our capacity to change the environment to suit our needs that has enabled our survival, frankly colonising uninhabited dead worlds seems a lot better than continuing to leave ourselves dependent on the Earth and all the resources and life on it.
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And yeah, there is nowhere in the history books, or the respectable history books, that "dysgenics" and "eugenics" have been separated as you attempt.
that is because you are talking about the late 19th and early 20th century and not the modern transhumanist movement. I think if anybody will be discriminated against it will be the minority of those who recieved such augmentation; at least judging by the responses from the majority of posters here.
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"transhumanist movement?"



frightening.
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Excuse me.

Humans have shown, since the inception of time, that they can't even handle living respectfully on this planet. We don't respect each other, we don't respect the animal kingdom and we don't respect the environment.

Heaven forbid we start colonizing other places as well. It sounds like a horror story.
I disagree with this. I almost think space could be the unifying force that drives people together.
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