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Old 10-04-2007, 01:23 PM   #16
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Since when is it US Army policy to allow soldiers to execute homosexuals?
Let's not be overly simplistic, please. Nobody is saying the army explicitly allowed or ordered the "execution" of a homosexual. Just that it created a culture and a set of policies in which homosexuality is even less accepted than in mainstream America or Massachusetts (keep in mind it was a Nat. Guard unit so the soldiers were all from the state that is home to gay marriage) and in which discrimination and hatred at someone for their lifestyle/sexual identity results in a shot to the head. Especially damning is that the victim was nervous about something fishy happening; this means she had notices this climate of hostility.
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Um, no. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you said (in which case I apologize), the murder (hypothetically if she was killed in any way as a result of that) means it is too dangerous for homosexual people to serve in the military-
I said that in the context of connecting the murder with the policy.
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Since when is it US Army policy to allow soldiers to execute homosexuals?
Who even said that? The speculation here is that she was obviously suspicious before she died, and even in a way acknowledged the possibility of her own death. She asked her parents to investigate because some of her fellow soldiers obviously did things to raise concern.

It's called a motive.
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in which discrimination and hatred at someone for their lifestyle/sexual identity results in a shot to the head.
And back to my point - this is a false conclusion. Being supportive of an Armed Forces policy prohibiting open homosexuality does not directly lead to putting a bullet into someone's head.
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Mrs. Springsteen, and any other concerned MA residents, I'm calling Kennedy (202-224-4543), Kerry(244-2742) and Delahunt (202-225-3111) to thank them for their involvement and urge them to continue. Delahunt isn't my congressman but he sure is eyeing a senate run whenever it opens up so they'll take a call from any MA resident. I'm also calling my guy, Capuano, to ask him to support Delahunt.

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Since when is it US Army policy to allow soldiers to execute homosexuals?
Why do points go flying over your head so often?
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And back to my point - this is a false conclusion. Being supportive of an Armed Forces policy prohibiting open homosexuality does not directly lead to putting a bullet into someone's head.
Again, NO ONE is saying this. However, when there is already a prevalent attitude that homosexuality is not welcome, or at the very least, discouraged, then it certainly doesn't discourage abuse from any overzealous homophobes if they happen to find out someone is gay.
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And back to my point - this is a false conclusion. Being supportive of an Armed Forces policy prohibiting open homosexuality does not directly lead to putting a bullet into someone's head.
being in an environment where you're surrounded by sexist and/or homophobic individuals who are capable of such a hideous crime does. it isn't the military's policy to encourage that, of course. however since the military clearly doesn't believe in rights for open homosexuals, do you not think that the environment in itself is breeding grounds for homophobic perspectives?
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being in an environment where you're surrounded by sexist and/or homophobic individuals who are capable of such a hideous crime does. it isn't the military's policy to encourage that, of course. however since the military clearly doesn't believe in rights for open homosexuals, do you not think that the environment in itself is breeding grounds for homophobic perspectives?
I do respect the Left for pulling this off. They've spent the last thirty or forty years pointing out how evil it is to bigoted (racist, homophobe...etc)...then they put anyone who disagrees with them into that box.
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The only people I can't tolerate are the intolerant...

It just makes sense to me.
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I do respect the Left for pulling this off. They've spent the last thirty or forty years pointing out how evil it is to bigoted (racist, homophobe...etc)...then they put anyone who disagrees with them into that box.
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Are you saying that it's ok to be racist and/or homophobic?
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Seriously though, if you feel that homosexuals, who of no choice of their own are the way they are, don't deserve equal rights, then you are a bigot. Exactly the same way in which believing that other races are inferior to yours makes you a bigot. Period.
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I do respect the Left for pulling this off. They've spent the last thirty or forty years pointing out how evil it is to bigoted (racist, homophobe...etc)...then they put anyone who disagrees with them into that box.

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Mrs. Springsteen, and any other concerned MA residents, I'm calling Kennedy (202-224-4543), Kerry(244-2742) and Delahunt (202-225-3111) to thank them for their involvement and urge them to continue. Delahunt isn't my congressman but he sure is eyeing a senate run whenever it opens up so they'll take a call from any MA resident. I'm also calling my guy, Capuano, to ask him to support Delahunt.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cg...e=ctc&state=ma
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Delahunt's office was awesome and totally responsive! They were really glad I called, wanted to know why I was so concerned, thanked me for calling Capuano, etc. If he runs when Kennedy or Kerry leaves office, and Capuano doesn't, then he's got my support (for other reasons too, but this is one of them).
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w2g. and thanks for the numbers. i'll call if i get to step out for a few minutes.
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w2g. and thanks for the numbers. i'll call if i get to step out for a few minutes.
Not sure what they'll do with an out of state call (though if you're from DC I guess they sorta have to rep you) but the Senators didn't even ask me for my zipcode (then, I was calling from a Boston area code). And Delahunt's office would probably appreciate the support.
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