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Old 06-05-2007, 11:58 AM   #106
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Yes..I can see where you are coming from. We differ on this view, but I can see why you were offended by the way I stated it.
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:57 PM   #107
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but i can only do this to a point.

if someone is going to keep insisting to me that the sky is purple, i see no reason to respect that perspective.
That's understandable, but at the very least don't deem them hateful because they think the sky is purple. Help them understand why it's blue.
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Old 06-05-2007, 01:07 PM   #108
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'scuse me while I kiss the sky.
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That's understandable, but at the very least don't deem them hateful because they think the sky is purple. Help them understand why it's blue.
How do you help someone understand who thinks they are discriminating out of love and has all the absolutes?
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Use the scientifc proof you say there is and discuss how the Bible may be interpreted wrong on the subject.
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Use the scientifc proof you say there is and discuss how the Bible may be interpreted wrong on the subject.
Um the world was created in 144 hours, dinosaurs only lasted for 24 hours of that, and it's physically possible to build a boat large enough to inhabit 2 of every single species ever.

Yeah I don't think science is going to work for these folks.
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That's understandable, but at the very least don't deem them hateful because they think the sky is purple. Help them understand why it's blue.


i can help them understand, yet i have to acknowledge that real people are harmed by an insistence on a purple sky. and these real people sometimes kill themselves.
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Um the world was created in 144 hours, dinosaurs only lasted for 24 hours of that, and it's physically possible to build a boat large enough to inhabit 2 of every single species ever.

Yeah I don't think science is going to work for these folks.
Not every Christian, including this one, believe in a litteral interpretation of creation. Again, if you're going to put people in a box, you'll get nowhere. What's your alternative to scientific proof and peaceful dialogue about what the Bible says?
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Personally, I am for civil unions. I understand why the church is hesitant to perform religious marriages, but I don't think that a civil state that is not a theocracy has a right to ban non relgious unions.
And yet I can get a civil marriage.

Why not a gay couple?
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Not every Christian, including this one, believe in a litteral interpretation of creation. Again, if you're going to put people in a box, you'll get nowhere. What's your alternative to scientific proof and peaceful dialogue about what the Bible says?


i agree that a belief in literal creationism is far less widespread than a belief that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible.

i think the better question is to wonder why the obession with a "sin" that doesn't even make the top 10, let alone more than a few highly debatable passing mentions. the question is why many evangelical protestant politicized -- the Falwell people -- have made this one of the centerpieces of their social political platform, right along with pro-life/anti-choice.

why the obsession with a sexual orientation that harms absolutely no one?

why?
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i can help them understand, yet i have to acknowledge that real people are harmed by an insistence on a purple sky. and these real people sometimes kill themselves.
And that should be part of the discussion, too. Like I'm saying, many Christians aren't out to hurt homosexuals, even if they may be wrong, and if they know other ways in which homosexuals are hurting, they'll likely want to help ease that hurt.
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I think that coemgan and I are on the same page when it comes to this. I see myself as a theological evolutionist personally. I disagree with homosexuals regarding their views, but would see a law that forbid it or discriminated against it as unjust. I just think that sometimes Christianity is painted on these boards with a broad and unfair brush.
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Honestly, I wish Christians would get off the homosexuality kick. Yes, the bible does tell them it is wrong...but I believe that the church in general would be better off if they focused on other things. The same NT does say they will know Christians by their love and hospitality....not their right beliefs.
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Not every Christian, including this one, believe in a litteral interpretation of creation. Again, if you're going to put people in a box, you'll get nowhere. What's your alternative to scientific proof and peaceful dialogue about what the Bible says?
I was being somewhat tongue in cheek, you often forget I'm a believer myself, so who's putting who in a box?

My point is you'll never convince those that ignore science and logic.

There have been many believers in here who have talked in depth about interpretation Dreadsox, Ormus(Melon), myself and others often to be ignored.
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Honestly, I wish Christians would get off the homosexuality kick. Yes, the bible does tell them it is wrong...but I believe that the church in general would be better off if they focused on other things. The same NT does say they will know Christians by their love and hospitality....not their right beliefs.
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I disagree with homosexuals regarding their views,
How are you showing love and hospitatilty this way?

And you haven't been able to dispute any of the issues with interpretation.
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