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Old 06-05-2007, 06:12 PM   #181
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Christianity is a balance between exclusion and inclusion. Christ did eat with sinners...but after meeting them he said "sin no more". These warnings are made only to those "inside" not to the ones "outside" of the church.
And you think they never sinned anymore after that?
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:15 PM   #182
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Are any of these people singled out?
and in reality,
- you, as a sinner are really no better than a practicing homosexual.

Any Christian believing such a thing would be wrong. We aren't to compare ourselves to each other, only to Christ. A comparison in which we all fall pitifully short.
To do otherwise risks feelings of either unworthiness or self-righteousness.
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:18 PM   #183
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Any Christian believing such a thing would be wrong. We aren't to compare ourselves to each other, only to Christ. A comparison in which we all fall pitifully short.
To do otherwise risks feelings of either unworthiness or self-righteousness.
It still doesn't make you any different from any other "sinner", that what deep was saying.
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:24 PM   #184
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I don't think so. In Matthew 7:21 it says that ......the decisive issue is whether they obey my Father in heaven....this tells me that although Jesus does bid all to come....those with true faith will do more and more of the will of God as they draw nearer in relationship with him.
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Indy is right....we aren't to compare ourselves. However, the church, as a body does have a right to confront a member about their sin. No sin is good for the sinner or society. I do believe that if we truly loved each other, we would confront people we loved who were doing things that could harm themselves or others.
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It's not like it seems, martha.
Yes, it is.


I am my husband's equal partner. We both head our household.
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Popsadie...

Have you noticed that good could not exist without evil?

If everyone is behaving angel, what we need religion for? God would be useless, because everyone is just like him.

Leave the people who don't understand to do what they want. It's better to let the gay society know who these people are and what opinion they hold against them. So they could be aware of certain things, like some believers in some religions.

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Anti-homosexuality is the only accepted bigotry which we are supposed to "discuss" and get to the bottom of and extend some special sort of understanding to.
I agree. Why is it we have to "understand" these bigots, cut them any slack whatsoever, and tolerate their willingness to legislate their own narrow-minded views into my government?
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Indy is right....we aren't to compare ourselves. However, the church, as a body does have a right to confront a member about their sin. No sin is good for the sinner or society. I do believe that if we truly loved each other, we would confront people we loved who were doing things that could harm themselves or others.
Of course. If you have a friend who's drinking too much you want to help them, if you have a friend who's listening to too much Rush you want to help them.

But I do see a lot of sinners looking down upon other sinners because they think their sins aren't as bad as their neigbor's sin.
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I don't agree with premarital sex. Any friends that I have that do it...in my mind practice premarital sex. I don't hate them for it, but I don't agree with the practice. I suppose that is my belief about homosexuality. Your perspective differs, and I am ok with that.
One more question, i don't know if anyone asked this before:

Your opinion on divorce?

I will not touch the topic on abortion, so don't worry.
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I don't think so. In Matthew 7:21 it says that ......the decisive issue is whether they obey my Father in heaven....this tells me that although Jesus does bid all to come....those with true faith will do more and more of the will of God as they draw nearer in relationship with him.
Basically that passage just means those who's actions speak louder than their words are true, and those who are just talk are just that...
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This is not directed at any one person

but it is discussions like this one that validate my choice
to no longer consider myself a "religious" person


I was born and rasied that way

I was led to believe I was happy in my beliefs, but I admit I really never was happy.


For all the "answers" religion supposedly offers
They are to all the wrong questions.


The questions that really matter are ones like these:

How do we live today?

How do we treat people today?

What choice do I make now?

How can I contribute now?

Can I show more kindness today?

How can I better live in this world today?
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This is not directed at any one person

but it is discussions like this one that validate my choice
to no longer consider myself a "religious" person


I was born and rasied that way

I was led to believe I was happy in my beliefs, but I admit I really never was happy.


For all the "answers" religion supposedly offers
They are to all the wrong questions.


The questions that really matter are ones like these:

How do we live today?

How do we treat people today?

What choice to I make now?

How can I contribute now?

Can I show more kindness today?

How can I better live in this world today?
I agree with you deep.

Although we could not cut the past from us, but only the future that belongs to us matters.

As a non-believer, I'd prefer watch this discussion rather than participate in. But here I want to ask all your people a favor: If you really think religion should not be use to segregate and discriminate, please get your point across to other believers who are into the same religion but hold very different opinion, and help them look at the world through their own eyes, using the gift from God to make their own judgement.
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Those are great questions that we all should ask to be a good person. What standard of good are you going for though?
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Old 06-05-2007, 07:05 PM   #195
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I wasn't born and raised as a religious person. My parents are both agnostic and although I went to a church at the age of 9, the beliefs of my parents caused constant conflict. As I have read the bible I have come to believe in it more and more..... I do think that the ten commandments address your concerns deep. As far as divorce goes, unless it is because of sexual adultery, I do think it is a sin if it is practiced by those who identify themselves as Christians.
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