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Old 06-05-2007, 05:12 PM   #166
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Well..not exactly. The church(as a body) can and has confronted members about their sins. Their is biblical precedent for it, but it mostly only done in the case of church leaders. Still, what I meant to say is that I'm sure that church members have done things that I would interpret as a sin, but unless I am very good friends with them or if I think they are a leader that is leading Christians astray, I would leave it up to them and God.
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make sense as in the time they were followed...they protected the Israelites from food poisoning and such..... Now, I feel we have other things to protect us from that.
Exactly, probably why most were made into law, and not exactly handed down from God.

People started get sick when they ate certain foods, and they thought this was a sign from God. Sleeping in the same bed while your wife was mensturating seemed icky and unclean, let's make it a law because we really don't understand what going on.
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You say this and the popsadie says:



So don't you see that discussion is OVER? You can provide some people with scientific evidence until you're blue in the face and it will do you no good at all.


two different people can't have different opinions
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Discussion isn't only about proving someone wrong or right...it is also about understanding the reasons why people believe how they do.
You know when it comes to issues of fundamental human rights and respect for fellow man and decency, then I draw a line. We as a society (generally anyway) do not tolerate backwards views regarding race, women, slavery and inservitude and a number of other human rights issues. Anti-homosexuality is the only accepted bigotry which we are supposed to "discuss" and get to the bottom of and extend some special sort of understanding to. Nobody would seriously come on this forum and tell me that I need to understand why somebody thinks a woman is worth nothing or that I need to understand why they feel a black man should go to his own schools. Nobody would say that and yet when it comes to views on homosexuality we are supposed to be super-accomodating. No, sorry.
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I think we would all be better off if we followed the ten commandments, especially if we truly understood the spirit and motive behind them.
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Discussion isn't only about proving someone wrong or right...it is also about understanding the reasons why people believe how they do.
True, but if I believed black people were inferior just because my parents and church told me, I wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on...
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The church(as a body) can and has confronted members about their sins. Their is biblical precedent for it, but it mostly only done in the case of church leaders.
How so? and what denomination are you(curiosity)?
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probably none of them.....including myself. They might have committed sins that I strongly thought were wrong, and that would be between them and god...same with how I perceive homosexuality.
thanks for the answer

and I think coemgen would agree with you

he has said "we are all sinners"

(I am not, you guys can speak for yourself, but we can leave this for another time)


well, back to your concept of sin

I also imagine that in attendance with you both may be young people that live together, people do that these days, even in the South.


and I am sure that you would agree
in your service would be single people that have had intimate relations, that have sinned and may even be doing it on a regular basis.

Each and every situation I described would be individuals that sin
but if they accept Christ, though his grace, they are saved.

Are any of these people singled out?
and in reality,
- you, as a sinner are really no better than a practicing homosexual.

For 'we all sin' and we all have the opportunity to be saved
by simply accepting Christ. Though we sin, again, and again and again until we die.
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I am a United Methodist with a Southern Baptist background.
The biblical precedent- Jude verse 23- save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh"
1 Cor 5: 11, 12,- What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people. It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge whose inside the church who are sinning in those ways."
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Nobody would seriously come on this forum and tell me that I need to understand why somebody thinks a woman is worth nothing or that I need to understand why they feel a black man should go to his own schools.
Well, in respect of the second part, they might - if, for example, they were a follower of the Nation of Islam. African nationalism/separatism is a valid movement with a long history.
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What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin,
or is greedy,
or worships idols,
or is abusive,
or a drunkard,
or a swindler.
Don't even eat with such people.
It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders,
but it certainly is your job to judge whose inside the church who are sinning in those ways."

Again, I don't know what it is like to be you or be raised in the South.

That is a very narrow view of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

Some of this judging and shunning may add to you feeling conflicted

Can you imagine Christ rejecting these people?
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What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people. It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge whose inside the church who are sinning in those ways."
Christ would have never had friends and eaten alone everynight if he believed this.

Should I follow this narrow interpretaion of this verse or be more Christlike?
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This isn't my interpretation. You asked for the biblical precedent and I provided it.
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Christianity is a balance between exclusion and inclusion. Christ did eat with sinners...but after meeting them he said "sin no more". These warnings are made only to those "inside" not to the ones "outside" of the church.
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This isn't my interpretation. You asked for the biblical precedent and I provided it.
Well then there's some major contradictions aren't there?
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