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Old 06-05-2007, 04:49 PM   #151
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This is why I specifically see what he says to the Ephesians and Corinthians as specific messages to individual churches.
Ok so that message is specific, but his message about homosexuality is to all homosexuals universally? Can you see where people have a hard time with these double standards?
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:50 PM   #152
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Pretty much everything else in the bible I have been able to find a logic to. I admit that I struggle with the logic against homosexuality. It isn't a brutal act and it isn't an inherently selfish act. It doesn't seem to violate the "love God and one another" that Jesus said summed up the ten commandments. The dietary laws in the OT make sense and the ten commandments all make sense. Still, I believe that if I am going to say that I believe in the bible, I have reconcile in someway even the beliefs that don't seem logical.
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BonoVox...you are a Christian. How do you reconcile it? I am genuinely curious.
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i took at look at your profile and even clicked on your webpage, and it seems like you're commited to a number of socially progressive causes, and i think that's great.

however, i wonder why people get stuck on the issue of homosexuality. you've said yourself that you're willing to be intentionally ignorant on the issue in order to justify a biblically held belief -- why do you consider this okay? if the bible said that you were to view black people as inferior, would you do so?

and i mean this to all the Christians out there -- liberal, conservative, or otherwise. what is the deal with homosexuality? why is it such a big deal? why, on the list of sins, does this one have a highly debatable place, not even in the top 10, does this become such a massive motivator?

why?









why do you hate me?

I hear you

and I do care, my brother


I tried to show you how I see their situation


I don't know what it is like to live in Oklahoma or any part of the South.

I think it would be difficult to go against the way one was brought up.

I think it may be unreasonable for any of us to expect you to become a "lightning rod"
for tolerance / acceptance within your religious community.




I was raised in an environment where similar views on homosexuality were held.

I am 51 now

It took my life experience, actually knowing gay people for extended periods of time
and also seeing people that oppose them (openly and vocally) for what they really are
for me to understand there was only one side that any decent person could support.


Each (straight) person has to get to place by themselves.


I am satisfied that you are "conflicted".

those that are bigoted
and not conflicted
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BonoVox...you are a Christian. How do you reconcile it? I am genuinely curious.
What is there to reconcile?
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This site gives an example of how that's not true. You have to remember that each of his letter was written to a different church or audience. Some were out of control, so certain rules had to be put in place, others weren't.

http://www.xenos.org/teachings/nt/ro...ry/rom16-1.htm
Really doesn't prove much, it just gives some excuses and how he is considered better than others.

What I do find interesting about that website is that they do admit this is PAUL's background. I've always been of mind that the Bible is written by man inspired by God, but there is a lot of personal bias that gets leaked into the writings especially given the means to which how these letters have been passed down and translated over the centuries.
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hello coemgen

and popsadie



I have a question


when you go to your church service on Sunday

of the (say) 300 people attending

How many of them do you think will have not committed a "sin" in the preceding week?
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The dietary laws in the OT make sense
Maybe they "made" sense, but I find it hard to believe they still make sense.

Do you still follow OT Levitical law?
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What's your alternative to scientific proof and peaceful dialogue about what the Bible says?
You say this and the popsadie says:

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I hold to the scriptural views of it stated in the new testament over scientific findings.
So don't you see that discussion is OVER? You can provide some people with scientific evidence until you're blue in the face and it will do you no good at all.
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probably none of them.....including myself. They might have committed sins that I strongly thought were wrong, and that would be between them and god...same with how I perceive homosexuality.
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You say this and the popsadie says:



So don't you see that discussion is OVER? You can provide some people with scientific evidence until you're blue in the face and it will do you no good at all.
Oh, I was just about to point out the same thing...

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make sense as in the time they were followed...they protected the Israelites from food poisoning and such..... Now, I feel we have other things to protect us from that.
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They might have committed sins that I strongly thought were wrong, and that would be between them and god...
Why would it matter if you thought strongly they were wrong, isn't all sin equal and a matter left up to God?
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Discussion isn't only about proving someone wrong or right...it is also about understanding the reasons why people believe how they do.
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the ten commandments all make sense.
Would we be better off if we all followed then?

If it was encouraged and perhaps even mandated?

I have even heard some say if we all would simply live by them we would really not need any other laws.
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