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Old 06-05-2007, 02:56 PM   #136
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So how is this not a fair comparison? Did Paul say it was a cultural thing? Actually Paul's view of women was pretty degrading throughout.

This site gives an example of how that's not true. You have to remember that each of his letter was written to a different church or audience. Some were out of control, so certain rules had to be put in place, others weren't.

http://www.xenos.org/teachings/nt/ro...ry/rom16-1.htm
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Again...I am not using it to discriminate. I don't agree with premarital sex, but I'm not creating bills to stop it or calling those that do it names. Actually, I am coming towards a more "to the letter" understanding of the bible..I have agreed to submit to my husband, and I do believe that the ten commandments were expressions of the nature of God. I do believe that supernatural things happened in the past and that the prophets foretold the Messiah's birth.
Regardless..I guess I should just drop this. My views on this aren't going to affect anyone's life and they are conflicted at best.
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Again...I am not using it to discriminate. I don't agree with premarital sex, but I'm not creating bills to stop it or calling those that do it names. Actually, I am coming towards a more "to the letter" understanding of the bible..I have agreed to submit to my husband, and I do believe that the ten commandments were expressions of the nature of God. I do believe that supernatural things happened in the past and that the prophets foretold the Messiah's birth.
Regardless..I guess I should just drop this. My views on this aren't going to affect anyone's life and they are conflicted at best.
You don't have to create bills or call names to discriminate.
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Again...I am not using it to discriminate. I don't agree with premarital sex, but I'm not creating bills to stop it or calling those that do it names. Actually, I am coming towards a more "to the letter" understanding of the bible..I have agreed to submit to my husband, and I do believe that the ten commandments were expressions of the nature of God. I do believe that supernatural things happened in the past and that the prophets foretold the Messiah's birth.
Regardless..I guess I should just drop this. My views on this aren't going to affect anyone's life and they are conflicted at best.
hi popsadie

I don't believe you are a bad person for your beliefs.

I don't believe you want or intend to discriminate.

I don't know what it is like to live in Oklahoma or any part of the South.

I have always lived L A / O C areas of California.


I think it would be difficult to go against the way one was brought up.

I am satisfied that you are "conflicted".

I think it may be unreasonable for any of us to expect you to become a "lightning rod" for tolerance / acceptance within your religious community.

I hope that you will continue to participate in these dialogues.


(disclaimer, I have not read each and every reply in this threat)
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hi popsadie

I don't believe you are a bad person for your beliefs.

I don't believe you want or intend to discriminate.

I don't know what it is like to live in Oklahoma or any part of the South.

I have always lived L A / O C areas of California.


I think it would be difficult to go against the way one was brought up.

I am satisfied that you are "conflicted".

I think it may be unreasonable for any of us to expect you to become a "lightning rod" for tolerance / acceptance within your religious community.

I hope that you will continue to participate in these dialogues.


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This is the great wisdom that is deep.
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Thank you deep I am sorry if the way I presented my views hurt anyone. Again, I only got into this thread because of the way I saw Christianity being painted in this thread.
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It's not like it seems, martha. The husband has to agree to sacrifice himself like Christ did for the church.
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yes....submit as in there needs to be a head in a family, not as in my wants or needs don't matter. Submission is a choice, and it is one made in the interest of family harmony and love for one's mate.
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Just wanted to say that I'm enjoying your posts.

I lived in Oklahoma back in the Barry Switzer years and spent a lot of time watching Count Gregore (is he still on?), listening to KOMA (do they still play rock?) and waiting for the tornado sirens to go off.

Does OSU still suck?
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Indy- as an OU alumnus and a spouse of an OU grad student...I must say that OSU still wishes it were OU Thanks for the comment You know, this is the first thread where I've felt like I'm a conservative. When I started posting on these boards back in 2000...I was labeled a liberal...strange...
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hi popsadie


I am satisfied that you are "conflicted".




(disclaimer, I have not read each and every reply in this threat)
so I did go back and read some more.



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I disagree with it being natural. This is the turning point of our conversation. I hold to the scriptural views of it stated in the new testament over scientific findings. Still, I am not going to use it to hate you or to vote for things that would harm you. I interpret science in light of scripture and not the other way around. I realize the interpretation issues about homosexuality...especially in the OT...but happen to believe Paul when it comes to homosexuality. Sorry if you see it as absurd.

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I disagree with it being natural..
This makes perfect sense if you add the words, "for me."

I would never expect to be able to tell you what is "natural" for you.

I honestly believe it is unnatural to be celibate.
I also believe it is unhealthy, physically, mentally and emotionally.




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I hold to the scriptural views of it stated in the new testament over scientific findings
I interpret science in light of scripture and not the other way around
Again, this is your right "for you."

There are "religious" people that interpret 'science and medicine' through scripture.
Sometimes they reject medical treatment in favor of their "faith based" beliefs.
And almost always they fare much worse than those that accept science and medicine "unfiltered'.




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Still, I am not going to use it to hate you or to vote for things that would harm you.
So I hope when you go to the polls you will vote for legislation that adds "gay-bashing" to hate crimes.
Looking at your web-page, I kind of suspect that you may be voting Democratic.
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Indy- as an OU alumnus and a spouse of an OU grad student...I must say that OSU still wishes it were OU Thanks for the comment You know, this is the first thread where I've felt like I'm a conservative. When I started posting on these boards back in 2000...I was labeled a liberal...strange...


i took at look at your profile and even clicked on your webpage, and it seems like you're commited to a number of socially progressive causes, and i think that's great.

however, i wonder why people get stuck on the issue of homosexuality. you've said yourself that you're willing to be intentionally ignorant on the issue in order to justify a biblically held belief -- why do you consider this okay? if the bible said that you were to view black people as inferior, would you do so?

and i mean this to all the Christians out there -- liberal, conservative, or otherwise. what is the deal with homosexuality? why is it such a big deal? why, on the list of sins, does this one have a highly debatable place, not even in the top 10, does this become such a massive motivator?

why?









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Indy- as an OU alumnus and a spouse of an OU grad student...I must say that OSU still wishes it were OU Thanks for the comment You know, this is the first thread where I've felt like I'm a conservative. When I started posting on these boards back in 2000...I was labeled a liberal...strange...
Like they say, a conservative is simply a liberal mugged by reality.
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Like they say, a conservative is simply a liberal mugged by reality.


and a liberal is a conservative who's been to jail.
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