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Old 06-04-2005, 04:07 AM   #1
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U.S. Confirms Gitmo Soldier Kicked Quran


WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. military officials say no guard at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects flushed a detainee's Quran down the toilet, but they disclosed that a Muslim holy book was splashed with urine. In other newly disclosed incidents, a detainee's Quran was deliberately kicked and another's was stepped on.

On March 25, a detainee complained to guards that "urine came through an air vent" and splashed on him and his Quran. A guard admitted he was at fault, but a report released Friday evening offering new details about Quran mishandling incidents did not make clear whether the guard intended the result.

In another confirmed incident, water balloons thrown by prison guards caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet, and in a confirmed but ambiguous case, a two-word obscenity was written in English on the inside cover of a Quran.

The findings, released after normal business hours Friday evening and after the major TV networks had aired their evening news programs, are among the results of an investigation last month by Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, the commander of the detention center in Cuba. A Newsweek magazine report - later retracted - that a U.S. soldier had flushed one Guantanamo Bay detainee's Quran down a toilet triggered the investigation.

The story stirred worldwide controversy, and the Bush administration blamed it for deadly demonstrations in Afghanistan.

Hood said in a written statement released with the new details that his investigation "revealed a consistent, documented policy of respectful handling of the Quran dating back almost 2 1/2 years."

Lawrence Di Rita, chief spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, did not address the confirmed incidents of mishandling the Muslim holy book. Reached while traveling with Rumsfeld in Asia, he said U.S. Southern Command policy calls for "serious, respectful and appropriate" handling of the Quran.

"The Hood inquiry would appear to affirm that policy," Di Rita said.

Hood said that of nine mishandling cases that were studied in detail by reviewing thousands of pages of written records, five were confirmed. He could not determine conclusively whether the other four took place.

In one of the unconfirmed cases, a detainee in April 2003 complained to FBI and other interrogators that guards "constantly defile the Quran." The detainee alleged that in one instance a female military guard threw a Quran into a bag of wet towels to anger another detainee, and he also alleged that another guard said the Quran belonged in the toilet and that guards were ordered to do these things.

Hood said he found no other record of this detainee mentioning any Quran mishandling. The detainee has since been released.

In the March incident, as described in the report, the guard had left his observation post to go outside to urinate. The wind blew his urine through an air vent into the cell block. The guard's supervisor reprimanded him and assigned him to gate guard duty, where he had no contact with detainees, for the rest of his assignment at Guantanamo Bay.

In another of the confirmed cases, a contract interrogator stepped on a detainee's Quran in July 2003 and then apologized. "The interrogator was later terminated for a pattern of unacceptable behavior, an inability to follow direct guidance and poor leadership," the Hood report said.

Hood also said his investigation found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Qurans. "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Quran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Quran," Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for the detainees' motives.

In the most recent of those 15 cases, a detainee on Feb. 18 allegedly ripped up his Quran and handed it to a guard, stating that he had given up on being a Muslim. Several guards witnessed this, Hood reported.

Last week, Hood disclosed he had confirmed five cases of mishandling of the Quran, but he refused to provide details. Allegations of Quran desecration at Guantanamo Bay have led to anti-American passions in many Muslim nations, although Pentagon officials have insisted that the problems were relatively minor and that U.S. commanders have gone to great lengths to enable detainees to practice their religion in captivity.

Hood said last week he found no credible evidence that a Quran was ever flushed down a toilet. He said a prisoner who was reported to have complained to an FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Quran in the toilet has since told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Quran desecration.

Other prisoners who were returned to their home countries after serving time at Guantanamo Bay as terror suspects have alleged Quran desecration by U.S. guards, and some have said a Quran was placed in a toilet.

There are about 540 detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to Guantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qaida terrorist network.

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To prevent this from happening copies of the Koran should not be given to illegal combatants.
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To prevent this from happening copies of the Koran should not be given to illegal combatants.
Didn't you say earlier that one of the reasons Gitmo is different from a gulag was that they can worship?

Plus why the hell should the Koran be taken from them? The Koran by itself is not evil, their interpretation of it may be but not the book itself.

If that's the case remove the Bible from the White House.
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Old 06-04-2005, 05:49 AM   #4
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Oh, these inmates should definitely be allowed to have their Korans. This stuff like getting urine on the Korans is just not cool, and it's got to stop.
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Well, this is the main reason why I think soldiers need a good dose of professionalism training. We wouldn't excuse racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance in the civilian world, so why should we excuse such blatantly unprofessional behavior in the military? It boggles me how clueless the military leadership is on this issue, so until they learn to grow a few brain cells themselves, expect more stories like this. And guess what? Like clockwork, we get them. Pathetic.

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Oh, these inmates should definitely be allowed to have their Korans. This stuff like getting urine on the Korans is just not cool, and it's got to stop.
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Hood also said his investigation found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Qurans. "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Quran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Quran," Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for the detainees' motives.
Thoses detainees should get a lesson in proper handling of the Koran.
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Thoses detainees should get a lesson in proper handling of the Koran.
Oh, my goodness, that's not cool. This is about like us urinating on our Bibles. Needless to say I'd never do such a thing. This doesn't excuse what the U.S. people have done to the Korans, but, to be fair, I doubt it if the detainees at Gitmo are exactly the salt of the earth. They're probably mostly SOB's. I mean, what kind of person supported the Taliban?
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Oh, these inmates should definitely be allowed to have their Korans. This stuff like getting urine on the Korans is just not cool, and it's got to stop.


Not to mention it really makes lousy PR. We start by calling this war on terror Operation Crusade and go downhill from there.
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Isn't the Koran what the likes of OBL are using to justify their acts ?

I'll gladly accept apologies from radical Muslim groups for misinterpreting the Koran, in return I will gladly apologise for any abuse thereof by the US Military
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I'm still waiting for an apology from Christian groups for misinterpreting the Bible, but that's a whole other discussion.

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Muslims blow other Muslims and their Mosques up, but we have to appologize for kicking a book?

This world is ass-backwards and the US has become apologists for everything. I refuse to praise, lift up, and feel sympathy for prisoners while trashing US soldiers.

This thread starter and the tiltle of this thread make me want to vomit.
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Muslims blow other Muslims and their Mosques up, but we have to appologize for kicking a book?

This world is ass-backwards and the US has become apologists for everything. I refuse to praise, lift up, and feel sympathy for prisoners while trashing US soldiers.

This thread starter and the tiltle of this thread make me want to vomit.
So just to clarify, would you consider it acceptable for Bibles to be defaced as a tactic for psychologically intimidating suspected Christian terrorist prisoners?

Don't ask me to list examples of Christian terrorist organisations, I can list three in my own country (Ireland) alone (currently on ceasfire, fortunately.

And you're remarks about the thread starter are a little misguided.
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Well, this is the main reason why I think soldiers need a good dose of professionalism training. We wouldn't excuse racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance in the civilian world, so why should we excuse such blatantly unprofessional behavior in the military?
I totally agree. Nobody should stoop to this level. If the positions were reversed, we wouldn't want them treating our holy things that way. So what gives us the right to do it to them? We need to be better than that.
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Muslims blow other Muslims and their Mosques up, but we have to appologize for kicking a book?

This world is ass-backwards and the US has become apologists for everything. I refuse to praise, lift up, and feel sympathy for prisoners while trashing US soldiers.

This thread starter and the tiltle of this thread make me want to vomit.
I'm sorry you can't hold yourself to higher standards than terrorists. That makes me sick.
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