Originally posted by Anthony:
the HORROR, there is no point in responding to your so-called mature response. I don't really care what the original topic was, there was something in your point that not only did I disagree with, but KNOW for a FACT is wrong. Claiming the USA to be the most loved country in the world is as just as false as saying that the USA is the biggest exporter in latex condoms - its simply an erroneous notion.
Now, the only thing that truly irritates me, like a piece of corn between my teeth that just won't disappear is people taking such an observation as 'No, you aren't so well-loved by so many allies' as Anti-American, American-bashing, American-crapping etc. etc. What on EARTH is your problem? A simple bleeding observation and you take it WHOLLY out of context.
And before you go on with your accusations as to my being anti-american, I know you weren't here when this whole war on Terrorism debate started here, and I was 100% behind the USA supporting it and defending it when your so-called Anti-American protestors were calling your country the shit of the shits. Not only did I back your country up, but I defended it from slanderous effects, trying desperately to keep a balanced mind on everything and seeing the whole war on terrorism for what it was. So before you make serious accusations about MY views on America, you should do some research; I have never made an outright negative comment towards your country, if I had, you would have known about it, because I wouldn't have even bothered to be diplomatic about it.
And in response to your calling my 'what a load of shit' immature, I don't even feel the need to justify myself. Look around this message board, and you will find the most depressingly stupid and retarded comments concerning serious subject matter, from both liberals and conservatives. And when I mean serious, I MEAN serious - not a 'Oh, look how wonderful our President is'. How the bloody hell would you like it if I started a thread on the greatness of Tony Blair. Yes, I think history will consider him the greatest there ever was, his speeches the most glorious and divine, his tupee the most fashion-conscious... ITS RIDICULOUS. Yes, lets see how you would take it if I started a Tony Blair Glorification Thread, not only would it be the most absurd and pathetic thread ever seen, it would perfectly induce you to think what I thought when I read the nature of the thread; 'What a load of shit'. And how can you even deign to call me immature when your responses are packed with nasty little jibes such as 'grow up' and 'I don't have time to respond... but this IS crap'. Seems to me we're on the same boat, don't assume your method of argument is any better than mine. It isn't. The most offensive thing I ever did to you directly was say that you didn't know how foreigners think, and I still hold to that notion if you believe that most of the free world loves you.
No matter how much I agree with this war on Terrorism, the fact is you DO NOT have allies everywhere. I am sorry if you fail to see this, or even worse, I'm sorry that you feel that anyone bringing this to your attention is anti-American.
Now, I'm sorry, but I am NOT anti-american simply because I see things how they are and try to make my views balanced. I don't know where you've been nor do I care, you obviously haven't been around enough.
Ant.
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You don't care what the original topic was because you'd rather stir up a bunch of crap here and kiss certain people's asses while anytime they have a "minor disagreement in this or any similair thread you jump in and take over like a blinded fool.
I never said the USA was the most loved country in the world and could give a flying fuck what some of you really think about us. Those of us here that actually live here, work for our community, pay taxes and support our neighbors and like it know what america is, and thats what matters, not what a whiny little wannabe thinks.
I have no problem with Tony Blair, I am glad to see he is on our side, and I hope it offends you. Go ahead and start a thread about him if you like, I welcome him and was proud of your country as an allied nation when he showed up with support.
We have done a lot of things to help out other countries, lots of missions you know about and lots you don't. We are FAR from perfect, and I won't expect us ever to be. The ugly side of this country is all you are ever going to hear about because it is a lot more entertaining to the media (and YOURS in particular is famous for vile gossip) than the average family fulfilling the american dream.
Like I said we have helped out a ton of countries with aid, food, security, etc. And we are in the process of getting involved in debt reduction. The problem is with virtually everybody holding out their hand wanting help, we have to decide who to help because we can't help everyone. Often we go on a multi-billion dollar operation to help out a country ailing, and we have people on our own streets in every city starving and homeless. We can only do so much. It is funny how people ask for help, yet as you said still 'hate us'even after we help them. I think people hate us because they think we have it so good, and what if we do? So what, because I can tell you I have worked very hard and sacrificed a lot to have what I do.
This reminds me of something in South Korea, how the students there staged a protest against our army base there. It was funny since the threat of N. Korea invading is a real issue everyday over there, though you never hear about elsewhere. Anyway the kids staged angry and sometimes violent protests, while the adults who actually remember the war welcomed our troops in their homes with warm hearts of appreciation. This is the kind of hostility they deal with all of the time, yet they carry on with faith and vigilance.
Some of your responses are very insulting to me, and I am sure others would find them as anti-american if they read everything you wrote.
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