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Old 02-10-2002, 09:55 AM   #16
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One more , G.W is a human , but it doesn't make him a great one , not yet .
Clinton was better
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One more , G.W is a human , but it doesn't make him a great one , not yet .
Clinton was better
...Better at having a lot of his friends around him mysteriously turn up dead and better at selling nuclear secrets to the Chinese for campaign contributions....

Ohh back to the subject (I'm sorry to speak ill of Clinton-you brought him up)of President Bush, I sense you are giving him some credit by stating "...not yet...", that is why you really cannot say that ..."Clinton was better".

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Old 02-10-2002, 10:38 AM   #21
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Ok, by the risk of making a complete fool out of myself I will post on this thread.

First of all I have a question:
Does it count what the rest of the world thinks of him, or is his greatness meassured only in the eyes of the Americans?
Now someone might think that the rest of the world doesnīt matter on this question. But since the USA is very active in politics around the world I think it should count for something.

I donīt know much about American politics IN America, so I donīt have many arguments about how good or bad he is at that. But I do have an opinion about the man:
I dislike the man a lot, everytime I hear him adressing the nation it almost makes me shiver. He just doesnīt have that trustworthy appearance, and some of the comments heīve said makes me wonder about the man. So maybe he will be considered one of the greatest Presidents IN the USA, but if the outside world has anything to say, I doubt heīll even come close.

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Of course your opinion counts, just as the rest of the worlds is relevant as well.

But let me just ask one question; why would you dislike this guy so much if he is trying to rid the "entire world" of terrorism, not just america.

I don't really believe that the rest of the world dislikes him as much as you would indicate, we seem to have allies all over the place.

Lets focus more on the issue here and not the person; you say he dosen't have a trustworthy appearance. I'll say he is downright goofy at times and pray he dosen't get too tongue-twisted at those big addresses. The issue, however, will be his conviction to wipe away terror and evil for the entire world. Hopefully his legacy will show him successful.
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The economy tanked well before he took office, and is already showing some signs of recovery.

National security is far more important than education, so I would give him more than "the latter part of last year" to work on it if necessary.
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You are right. We should massive spending on National security so we can protect a nation of illiterate idiots. That makes sense right?
While National Security is critical, it is no more important than the future of the nation.
United States economy did not "tank" long before Bush took office either. A down period is expected after a high. However, I keep track of the markets and I have heard no analyist proclaim that economy is already recovering. If the economy was recovering then the stimulous package wouldn't be such a big issue.

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Domestic - Don't know & obviously has no effect on me.
International - No. I don't think he's gonna leave the place in better shape then when he found it. Probably not even close. And you guys will notice it because you'll notice more 'anti-US' out there. Problem is the reason why I don't think he's that good is because I don't think he'd listen or would care. I just get the feeling he's too 'The US is right because the US is the US and thats the end of that.'

Having said that, take the politics away and have the guy over for a bbq and a beer (maybe not a beer for George) and I think he'd be an ok guy. (Bring your daughters George).
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This author say’s Bush is a simpleton. He spent quite a bit of time with him. Maybe he knows something?

The United States is being led by a lowbrow from the upper-crust ghetto, largely unaware of culture — high, pop and maybe even yogurt — a forthcoming biography of President Bush says. New York Times reporter Frank Bruni, who was assigned to cover Bush during the 2000 presidential campaign and the first eight months of Bush's presidency, describes the 43rd President of the United States as affable and good-natured, but shallow and largely clueless about many aspects of the culture of the nation he heads.
Bruni's book, "Ambling into History," goes on sale March 5, and offers a behind-the-scenes glimpse into Bush's interaction with reporters on the campaign trail.
"At long last, the Republican Party had nominated its first baby boomer for the presidency, and the man they had chosen was no more culturally 'with it' than Bob Dole, the septuagenarian previous nominee, had been," Bruni writes.
Bush viewed the musical "Cats" as modern theater at its finest, Bruni writes, and openly admitted that martial artist Chuck Norris was his favorite film actor.

The candidate had never heard of actor Leonardo DiCaprio or television newscaster Stone Phillips — despite the enormous nationwide exposure of both, Bruni writes.
Asked about HBO's smash hit "Sex and the City," Bush thought it was "an inquiry into his erotic and geographic whereabouts," Bruni writes.
Bush, who gets generally positive treatment from Bruni in the book, nonetheless comes off in parts as a stranger to America outside his own upper-class WASP background. When reporters on the campaign trail used words like "vegan" or "yenta," Bush had no idea what they were talking about, Bruni writes.

Bush bragged to sushi-eating reporters about how good his peanut butter sandwiches were. His snacks of choice on the campaign trail were Fritos and Cheez Doodles.
Though he wasn't familiar with DiCaprio's role in "Titanic," the highest-grossing film ever, Bush knew the "Austin Powers" movies inside out.
Bruni writes that Bush often lifted his pinkie to the corner of his mouth to mimic the Dr. Evil character in the Powers flicks.
Bush, a competitive and ordinarily focused politician, was nonetheless prone to distraction by trivial matters, Bruni writes.
On the night before the South Carolina primary, which Bush desperately needed to win to stop the momentum of Arizona Sen. John McCain, Bush spotted "an attractive brunette" slipping into the hotel room of campaign staffer Matthew Dowd.
Bush, "in a manner more voyeuristic and gossipy than judgmental," became obsessed with asking campaign officials whether Dowd's wife was with him on the trip. (She was.)
On one of the biggest nights in his political career, "Bush was focused on whether one of his deputies was having a little naughty extracurricular fun," Bruni writes.
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Well, despite the very bumpy introduction you gave, where I questioned whether you were a troll or not, I welcome you as well, the HORROR.

I totally agree with this quote of yours, "Let's focus more on the issue here and not the person...," and I hope you stick true to that. Quite often, just mentioning a polarizing political figure, like Bill Clinton and George Bush, will just cling people to their ideological corners, with very little room to budge. However, when you mention the issues they may stand for, like campaign finance and the "war on terrorism," you may find better and far more fluid responses. You may find that people who are the quintessential "liberal" may actually have some common values, but you'll likely never see that mentioning the people behind them. Does this make any sense?

As for Dubya, it often isn't the fact that we disagree theoretically on everything; it is just that I question whether he is really sincere about it. Hence, I disapprove of him as president.

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But let me just ask one question; why would you dislike this guy so much if he is trying to rid the "entire world" of terrorism, not just america.

Ahhh thatīs a tough one, and itīs almost impossible to find a strong argument against a post like that. And since Iīm not in to American politics my opinion about the man might look a little bit shallow to you that really follow the man. But I agree with TylerDurden about how it doesnīt seem like he care about things that doesnīt have to do with the US. And itīs true about the Anti-US out there, itīs much bigger than 1 year ago.

I remember Bill Clinton visited Ireland and Northern-Ireland in February or March 2001. The welcome he got there from the PEOPLE was the welcoming of a hero. I doubt that George W Bush will ever get a welcoming like that in another country.

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I remember Bill Clinton visited Ireland and Northern-Ireland in February or March 2001. The welcome he got there from the PEOPLE was the welcoming of a hero. I doubt that George W Bush will ever get a welcoming like that in another country.

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Clinton was no hero.

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You are right. We should massive spending on National security so we can protect a nation of illiterate idiots. That makes sense right?
While National Security is critical, it is no more important than the future of the nation.
United States economy did not "tank" long before Bush took office either. A down period is expected after a high. However, I keep track of the markets and I have heard no analyist proclaim that economy is already recovering. If the economy was recovering then the stimulous package wouldn't be such a big issue.

Well,
Of course education is important, but I wouldn't rank it above national security ever NEVER ever. Not even above health care. Being safe and healthy should be top priorities before any schooling.

I am relieved to see your intrest and dedication in this matter, we need a lot more people like you
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