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Old 09-15-2004, 04:17 PM   #91
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They haven't conclusively found that they are forgeries.

The typewriters of the day had that kind of type. My understanding is they are still working on verifying their authenticity.
They have conclusively found that typewriters were unable to make that kind of type in 1972. So they are indeed forgeries.
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Bush was a deserter and deserves getting busted for it period.
This whole issue if benefiting the President. If Democrats want to fall on their own sword, so be it. Although I have many disagreements with Bill Clinton, he is an incredible politician, and he told Kerry to simply off of Vietnam. Everything about these issues is hurting Kerry, not Bush.

Gallup poll showed Bush with a 1 point lead after the Democratic convention. The Gallup poll after the Republican convention showed Bush with a 7 point lead in a year that was supposed to not have convention poll bounces.

Bottom line, the general public went through the whole attempt to slime Bush's guard service in 2000. Now that Bush has been president for four years, this issue which was rejected four years ago by the public, is of little interest to them now.

Bush 52%

Kerry 45%

Its time for team Kerry to change course if they want to remain competitive in November.
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It ultimately doesn't matter. I have plenty of other reasons to dislike Bush. It's still interesting reading though.
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Interesting point that I just read on a blog and will use now.

The White House released copies of the documents the night the CBS story ran. According to Scott McClellan in this White House press gaggle, they had every reason to believe the documents were true at the time.

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Q Scott, on the National Guard documents on "60 Minutes," the First Lady says she believes these are forgeries. The RNC has accused the Democratic Party of being the source of these documents. Knowing then what you know now, would you still have released those documents when you did?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, that's a hypothetical question, John. We received those documents from a major news organization. We had every reason to believe that they were authentic at that time.
If Bush hadn't disobeyed a direct order, then the White House would have known they were forgeries and said so at the time. Bush would have vehemently denied the allegations in the memo, saying that he never disobeyed a direct order. Yet he didn't. Why?
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Interesting point that I just read on a blog and will use now.

The White House released copies of the documents the night the CBS story ran. According to Scott McClellan in this White House press gaggle, they had every reason to believe the documents were true at the time.



If Bush hadn't disobeyed a direct order, then the White House would have known they were forgeries and said so at the time. Bush would have vehemently denied the allegations in the memo, saying that he never disobeyed a direct order. Yet he didn't. Why?
Most people think the issue is irrelevant, but if the Democrats want to continue with it, its fine with me. Its only benefiting the President at this point.
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No answer to the question I asked, though?
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No answer to the question I asked, though?
I think there are a lot of things that happened over 30 years ago, that Bush and everyone around do not remember or have a record of. Hell, one can dig up records on Colin Powell's experience in the military that were unfavorable to him. It would be prudent of the White House to examine the issue first before totally confirming or denying something of this nature.

When its all said and done, Bush was honorably discharged. Something some liberals seem to be ignorant of.
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Huh. I always thought that disobeying an order was something of a big deal. Is this something that happens all the time?
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Huh. I always thought that disobeying an order was something of a big deal. Is this something that happens all the time?
Depends on the circumstances of the situation especially in the Guard and Reserve in which there are many ways in which one can finish and complete their service. If there were something serious that happened, Bush would not have been honorably discharged.
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So if he missed his physical even though he was given a direct order (and because of it lost his flight status) that wouldn't keep him from being honorably discharged?
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So if he missed his physical even though he was given a direct order (and because of it lost his flight status) that wouldn't keep him from being honorably discharged?
The military looked at the entire situation back then in the early 1970s and gave Bush and honorable discharge.
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Is that a "yes?"
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The secretary of Bush's commander was just on TV. She stated that she didn't type them, but the contents were completely accurate. So he did disobey a direct order and should have been dishonorable discharged.

Just as his Daddy got him in, Daddy got him out.
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The claims are far flimsier that those be the SBVT - at least they didn't make up the documents.....
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The secretary of Bush's commander was just on TV. She stated that she didn't type them, but the contents were completely accurate.

Now how in the world can she state that she didn't type the memos, but knows that the contents are accurate???

More bull from the Kerry campaign....
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