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Old 04-18-2006, 03:40 PM   #46
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What the hell. About a dozen family members of who they lost someone in the 9/11 attacks are going to the defense of Moussaoui!?!

They want the US to show Mercy,unlike his former counterparts.
He should not receive any mercy!
Why is that so hard for you to believe?
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Old 04-18-2006, 03:50 PM   #47
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Because there are certain times when people should not have a right to live for what they did to others.

when did you stop beleiving in the death penalty?
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Because there are certain times when people should not have a right to live for what they did to others.
But look at almost every response in this thread. Most believe living with his sins will be far worse of a punishment. Don't make him a matyr.


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when did you stop beleiving in the death penalty? [/B]
Never started.

I grew up going to church. Where I was taught love, forgiveness, and compassion. Now of course most of the adults that taught me these moral lessons have forgotten them themselves and belive in all the perversions of religion such as death penalty and what not. But that's their problem not mine.
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Do you think the prisoner will feel bad with what he did, do you think that the killer they caught recently who was going to eat that 10 year old girl will ask for forgivness....... No.

You only show your weakness to the killers when you say I forgive you for what you did to my mom, dad, brother or sister. Jesus showed his anger and disgust to the people running the Markets on a holy day. God show's ill will towards people also by creating diseases (mental included), natural disasters, etc...
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Do you think the prisoner will feel bad with what he did, do you think that the killer they caught recently who was going to eat that 10 year old girl will ask for forgivness....... No.

You only show your weakness to the killers when you say I forgive you for what you did to my mom, dad, brother or sister. Jesus showed his anger and disgust to the people running the Markets on a holy day. God show's ill will towards people also by creating diseases (mental included), natural disasters, etc...

Quite frankly I don't care what the killers think or feel. But I have to live with me, and I am better than they are. And that means I don't seek to become what they are...and seeking blood vengeance makes me as bad as they are.

Not killing them isn't forgiving them, and I'm not the type of person to forgive the unforgivable, but letting them stay in jail for the rest of their natural lives doesn't require either forgiveness or the debasement of others. I feel the death penalty does debase those who impose it.
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What the hell. About a dozen family members of who they lost someone in the 9/11 attacks are going to the defense of Moussaoui!?!

They want the US to show Mercy,unlike his former counterparts.
He should not receive any mercy!
Well as long as your opinion is more valid than that of people who actually lost family members...

How dare they have an opposing opinion!
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Old 04-18-2006, 06:00 PM   #52
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Yes they can have there opinion on not seeing him die, fine.

If I lost someone in the attacks I would not show one bit of mercy. Why dosent his mother come to these families and ask for forgivness for what her bastard child's group of friends did and how he show's no heart for human kind except for True (extremist ) of Allah.
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You only show your weakness to the killers when you say I forgive you for what you did to my mom, dad, brother or sister. Jesus showed his anger and disgust to the people running the Markets on a holy day. God show's ill will towards people also by creating diseases (mental included), natural disasters, etc...
I don't understand forgiveness without contrition or remorse.
But it's up to each person to decide for themselves.

If someone killed a loved one of mine, it would only be up to me how to grieve and forgive, or not.

So, I wouldn't assume the shoes of these people, they are dealing the best they can. Personally, I think it speaks very highly of a person who could forgive the worst in man, especially when it directly impacted them. It says they value compassion over vengenance, which may be, as you say, weak. If human life can be taken so easily, then we are ALL fragile, or even weak.
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I don't think not killing is forgiving them either. I'm opposed to capital punishment, but that's not really why I oppose the execution of Moussaoui. The guy is a worthless bastard. Putting him to death will only make a martyr out of him. We recently found out that there are nuts in the Middle East with the ruckus over the Danish cartoons. Don't feed the monsters............
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Do you think the prisoner will feel bad with what he did, do you think that the killer they caught recently who was going to eat that 10 year old girl will ask for forgivness....... No.
I don't assume that I can walk in anyone's shoes but my own.
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You only show your weakness to the killers when you say I forgive you for what you did to my mom, dad, brother or sister. Jesus showed his anger and disgust to the people running the Markets on a holy day.
Weakness? LOL

Lifetime sentence is not forgiveness. Anger isn't killing.

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God show's ill will towards people also by creating diseases (mental included), natural disasters, etc...
A very old testament naive way to look at God.
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Do you consider yourself walking in the shoes of Jesus in the way you think on the Death Penalty or any other matter.
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Do you consider yourself walking in the shoes of Jesus in the way you think on the Death Penalty or any other matter.
Walking in the shoes of Jesus?!

No way.

I try and live in the teachings and examples that he left behind.
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Do you think his teaching would say to forgive someone like Maussoui?

I think if he were to see how the world is today. You would have to change your mentality. I think Jesus would go apeshit about the problems in this world. How His Father is being used to destroy buildings, behead, cheat on your husband on wife, molestations etc...

Todays would is the new Sadom and Ghamora.
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Do you think his teaching would say to forgive someone like Maussoui?
Yes.

I know that's hard to live with sometimes, but that's the truth.
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Well to bad Jesus is not hear so we can see what he really has to say.
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