Moussaoui is a Bastard!!!!!!!!

[indra]

In this case, he wants to be killed. I do not believe anyone would make those comments who did not wish to die.

Yep. His comments are designed to do exactly what they are doing to many people -- that is making them say "this guy has to DIE!!!!" He knows that and is playing people like a fiddle. Killing him makes him a martyr, which is what he wants, instead of just another guy who has to face prison for the rest of his life.

Piss him off -- make him live.

 

[melon]

In this case, he wants to be killed. I do not believe anyone would make those comments who did not wish to die.

LOVE him....and you will cause him more pain.

You don't need to love him, per se. You just have to have a working knowledge of our penal system. The supermax prison he'd probably end up with life in prison without parole would likely be a fate worse than death.

Melon

 

[adrball]

We have to recognise the worse part of humanity, if we just write it off as inhuman it will keep repeating itself.

yip...we have to try and get inside his head and understand WHY he thinks like he does.

I can't believe he was born with an ingrained hatred for the West. Something must have happened to him or his family to create it, or maybe he's been paid by cowards and now his family are financially set up for life. Who the hell knows.

But we can't brush his reasoning for self-justification under the carpet without trying to understand it - however bizarre and irrational it may seem to the majority of us. Do that and we'll still be here in decades asking the same question.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

I agree, death penalty would only increase his martyrdom. He doesn't care though about living with it every day, doesn't bother him. I don't know about "loving him" causing him more pain, I honestly don't think he knows what love is. He is a bastard, I have no problem with that.

I just want to remember those who died who really paid the price for the inhumanity and hatred of Moussaoui and his cohorts. We are still here to witness his hatred.The family and friends have to suffer the pain all over again w/ this trial and every day.

United 93 transcript

Text in parentheses was translated from Arabic. "Unintelligible" indicates that the tape couldn't be transcribed.

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09:31:57 — Ladies and gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down keep remaining seating. We have a bomb on board. So sit.

09:32:09 — Er, uh ... Calling Cleveland center ... You're unreadable. Say again slowly.

09:32:10 — Don't move. Shut up.

09:32:13 — Come on, come.

09:32:16 — Shut up.

09:32:17 — Don't move.

09:32:18 — Stop.

09:32:34 — Sit, sit, sit down.

09:32:39 — Sit down.

09:32:41 — Unintelligible ... (the brother.)

09:32:54 — Stop.

09:33:09 — No more. Sit down.

09:33:10 — (That's it, that's it, that's it), down, down.

09:33:14 — Shut up.

09:33:20 — Unintelligible

09:33:20 — We just, we didn't get it clear ... Is that United 93 calling?

09:33:30 — (Jassim.)

09:33:34 — (In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.)

09:33:41 — Unintelligible.

09:33:43 — Finish, no more. No more.

09:33:49 — No. No, no, no, no.

09:33:53 — No, no, no, no.

09:34:00 — Go ahead, lie down. Lie down. Down, down, down.

09:34:06 — (There is someone ... Huh?)

09:34:12 — Down, down, down. Sit down. Come on, sit down. No, no, no, no, no. No.

09:34:16 — Down, down, down.

09:34:21 — Down.

09:34:25 — No more.

09:34:26 — No more. Down.

09:34:27 — Please, please, please ...

09:34:28 — Down.

09:34:29 — Please, please, don't hurt me ...

09:34:30 — Down. No more.

09:34:31 — Oh God.

09:34:32 — Down, down, down.

09:34:33 — Sit down.

09:34:34 — Shut up.

09:34:42 — No more.

09:34:46 — (This?)

09:34:47 — Yes.

09:34:47 — Unintelligible.

09:34:57 — (One moment, one moment.)

09:34:59 — Unintelligible.

09:35:03 — No more.

09:35:06 — Down, down, down, down.

09:35:09 — No, no, no, no, no, no...

09:35:10 — Unintelligible.

09:35:15 — Sit down, sit down, sit down.

09:35:17 — Down.

09:35:18 — (What's this?)

09:35:19 — Sit down. Sit down. You know, sit down.

09:35:24 — No, no, no.

09:35:30 — Down, down, down, down.

09:35:32 — Are you talking to me?

09:35:33 — No, no, no. Unintelligible.

09:35:35 — Down in the airport.

09:35:39 — Down, down.

09:35:40 — I don't want to die.

09:35:41 — No, no. Down, down.

09:35:42 — I don't want to die. I don't want to die.

09:35:44 — No, no. Down, down, down, down, down, down.

09:35:47 — No, no, please.

09:35:57 — No.

09:37:06 — (That's it. Go back.)

09:37:06 — (That's it.) Sit down.

09:37:36 _(Everthing is fine. I finished.)

09:38:36 — (Yes.)

09:39:11 — Ah. Here's the captain. I would like to tell you all to remain seated. We have a bomb aboard, and we are going back to the airport, and we have our demands. So, please remain quiet.

09:39:21 — OK. That's 93 calling?

09:39:24 — (One moment.)

09:39:34 — United 93. I understand you have a bomb on board. Go ahead.

09:39:42 — And center exec jet nine fifty-six. That was the transmission.

09:39:47 — OK. Ah. Who called Cleveland?

09:39:52 — Executive jet nine fifty-six, did you understand that transmission?

09:39:56 — Affirmative. He said that there was a bomb on board.

09:39:58 — That was all you got out of it also?

09:40:01 — Affirmative.

09:40:03 — Roger.

09:40:03 — United 93. Go ahead.

09:40:14 _United 93. Go ahead.

09:40:17 — Ahhh.

09:40:52 — (This green knob?)

09:40:54 — (Yes, that's the one.)

09:41:05 — United 93, do you hear the Cleveland center?

09:41:14 — (One moment. One moment.)

09:41:15 — Unintelligible.

09:41:56 — Oh man.

09:44:18 — (This does not work now.)

09:45:13 — Turn it off.

09:45:16 — (... Seven thousand ...)

09:45:19 — (How about we let them in? We let the guys in now.)

09:45:23 — (OK.)

09:45:24 — (Should we let the guys in?)

09:45:25 — (Inform them, and tell him to talk to the pilot. Bring the pilot back.)

09:45:57 — (In the name of Allah. In the name of Allah. I bear witness that there is no other God, but Allah.)

09:47:31 — Unintelligible.

09:47:40 — (Allah knows.)

09:48:15 — Unintelligible.

09:48:38 — Set course.

09:49:37 — Unintelligible.

09:51:17 — Unintelligible.

09:51:35 — Unintelligible.

09:52:02 — Unintelligible.

09:52:31 — Unintelligible.

09:53:20 — (The best thing: The guys will go in, lift up the) ... Unintelligible ... (and they put the axe into it. So, everyone will be scared.)

09:53:27 — (Yes.)

09:53:28 — (The axe.)

09:53:28 — Unintelligible.

09:53:29 — (No, not the.)

09:53:35 — (Let him look through the window. Let him look through the window.)

09:53:52 — Unintelligible.

09:54:09 — (Open.)

09:54:11 — Unintelligible.

09:55:06 — You are ... One ...

09:56:15 — Unintelligible.

09:57:55 — (Is there something?)

09:57:57 — (A fight?)

09:54:59 — (Yeah?)

09:58:33 — Unintelligible. (Let's go guys. Allah is greatest. Allah is greatest. Oh guys. Allah is greatest.)

09:58:41 — Ugh.

09:58:43 — Ugh.

09:58:44 — (Oh Allah. Oh Allah. Oh the most gracious.)

09:58:47 — Ugh. Ugh.

09:58:52 — Stay back.

09:58:55 — In the cockpit.

09:58:57 — In the cockpit.

09:58:57 — (They want to get in here. Hold, hold from the inside. Hold from the inside. Hold).

09:59:04 — Hold the door.

09:59:09 — Stop him.

09:59:11 — Sit down.

09:59:13 — Sit down.

09:59:15 — Sit down.

09:58:16 — Unintelligible.

09:59:17 — (What?)

09:59:18 — (There are some guys. All those guys.)

09:59:20 — Lets get them.

09:59:25 — Sit down.

09:59:29 — (What?)

09:59:30 — (What.)

09:59:31 — (What?)

09:59:36 — Unintelligible.

09:59:37 — (What?)

09:59:39 — Unintelligible.

09:59:41 — Unintelligible.

09:59:42 — (Trust in Allah, and in him.)

09:59:45 — Sit down.

09:59:47 — Unintelligible.

09:59:53 — Ahh.

09:59:55 — Unintelligible.

09:59:58 — Ahh.

10:00:06 — (There is nothing.)

10:00:07 — (Is that it? Shall we finish it off?)

10:00:08 — (No. Not yet.)

10:00:09 — (When they all come, we finish it off.)

10:00:11 — (There is nothing.)

10:00:13 — Unintelligible.

10:00:14 — Ahh.

10:00:15 — I'm injured.

10:00:16 — Unintelligible.

10:00:21 — Ahh.

10:00:22 — (Oh Allah. Oh Allah. Oh Gracious.)

10:00:25 — In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll die.

10:00:29 — (Up, down. Up, down, in the) cockpit.

10:00:33 — (The) cockpit.

10:00:37 — (Up, down. Saeed, up, down.)

10:00:42 — Roll it.

10:00:55 — Unintelligible.

10:00:59 — (Allah is the Greatest. Allah is the Greatest.)

10:01:01 — Unintelligible.

10:01:08 — (Is that it? I mean, shall we pull it down?)

10:01:09 — (Yes, put it in it, and pull it down.)

10:01:10 — Unintelligible.

10:01:11 — (Saeed.)

10:01:12 — ... engine ...

10:01:13 — Unintelligible.

10:01:16 — (Cut off the oxygen.)

10:01:18 — (Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen.)

10:01:34 — Unintelligible.

10:01:37 — Unintelligible.

10:01:41 — (Up, down. Up, down.)

10:01:41 — (What?)

10:01:42 — (Up, down.)

10:01:42 — Ahh.

10:01:53 — Ahh.

10:01:54 — Unintelligible.

10:01:55 — Ahh.

10:01:59 — Shut them off.

10:02:03 — Shut them off.

10:02:14 — Go.

10:02:14 — Go.

10:02:15 — Move.

10:02:16 — Move.

10:02:17 — Turn it up.

10:02:18 — (Down, down.)

10:02:23 — (Pull it down. Pull it down.)

10:02:25 — Down. Push, push, push, push, push.

10:02:33 — (Hey. Hey. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:35 — (Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:37 — (Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:40 — Unintelligible.

10:03:02 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:03 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:04 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:06 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03;06 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:07 — No.

10:03:09 — (Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:09 — (Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.)

 

[A_Wanderer]

yip...we have to try and get inside his head and understand WHY he thinks like he does.

I can't believe he was born with an ingrained hatred for the West. Something must have happened to him or his family to create it, or maybe he's been paid by cowards and now his family are financially set up for life. Who the hell knows.

But we can't brush his reasoning for self-justification under the carpet without trying to understand it - however bizarre and irrational it may seem to the majority of us. Do that and we'll still be here in decades asking the same question.

Religion
Of
Peace



Moussaoui told jurors that Islam requires Muslims to be the world's superpower as he flipped through a copy of the Koran searching for verses to support his assertions. One he cited requires non-Muslim nations to pay a tribute to Muslim countries.

Sura 9:29 You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly. (taken from submission.org)

If me using that quote to illustrate the point is Islamophobic then what is it when violent literalists use it to condone slaughter?

People can justify violence with scripture and it does not mean that it is being twisted, people can also do good deeds with other pieces and it doesn't mean that it is being twisted. I refuse to recognise any religion being inherently peaceful, they all entail coercion.

 

[JCOSTER]

You destroy what America is, if you just put someone to death without a trial.

He could have is trial but this seems like it has been going on forever. The families are being retortured.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

i fully support the death penalty... but i don't want to see moussaoui get it. i want him to rot in jail for the rest of his life. because, to quote ron white, "he may be prepared to die for his religious beliefs, but i gaurantee spiritually he is ill prepared to lick jelly out of thunder dick's butt crack."

 

[verte76]

I don't want him to get death either, I think he should be thrown in prison and then the damn key should be pitched. Make him rot for the rest of his life in prison.

 

[nbcrusader]

LOVE him....and you will cause him more pain.

A good ol' fashion Romans 12:20, eh?!

That would cause him the most suffering.

 

[all_i_want]

Reading this just makes me sick to my stomach. I don't understand how human beings can carry that much vile hatred in their hearts and minds. I guess that's just it, they are NOT human. Very sad.

You assume that humans are wonderful beings. Remove social norms or fear of punishment by the law (as in the case of a locked up terrorist), see what you get.

 

[JCOSTER]

i fully support the death penalty... but i don't want to see moussaoui get it. i want him to rot in jail for the rest of his life. because, to quote ron white, "he may be prepared to die for his religious beliefs, but i gaurantee spiritually he is ill prepared to lick jelly out of thunder dick's butt crack."

Okay, can see your point....this just maybe the better alternative.

 

[A_Wanderer]

The pictures used in the trial can be found here

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/index.php?sortby=datedesc

 

[BrownEyedBoy]

Before this gets into a major "death penalty" discussion, I would like to say;

Giving this man a lifetime sentence would actually be a good thing. First of all he would have to deal with what he did for the rest of his life, not in the environment of peers but probably solitary confinement. Secondly he would have to live with the fact that his enemy treated his as human. Death would mean martyr. Now he has to live with the question as to why would these people keep me alive, why would they treat me as human?

But of course that won't happen. But wow, it would do so much in the long run if we did...

I was actually going to post something similar to this. This guy is looking to make it into the history books. '

I think it would be more cruel on him to get the life sentence in some sort of isolated cell.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

But he's mentally ill and had a chaotic upbringing

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/17/moussaoui.trial/index.html

"Nil Plant, a fellow Muslim and classmate, described Moussaoui as "a bit of a misfit. He wasn't a proper Arab, and he wasn't a proper French boy. He was sort of stuck in between."

Imam Abdul Haqq Baker, of Brixton Mosque in London, said Moussaoui's demeanor changed when he got involved with fundamentalist recruiters. He became brash and confrontational. "You could see the disdain in his face," Baker said."

 

[Justin24]

What the hell. About a dozen family members of who they lost someone in the 9/11 attacks are going to the defense of Moussaoui!?!

They want the US to show Mercy,unlike his former counterparts.
He should not receive any mercy!
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/moussaoui.trial/index.html

 

[BVS]

What the hell. About a dozen family members of who they lost someone in the 9/11 attacks are going to the defense of Moussaoui!?!

They want the US to show Mercy,unlike his former counterparts.
He should not receive any mercy!

Why is that so hard for you to believe?

 

[Justin24]

Because there are certain times when people should not have a right to live for what they did to others.

when did you stop beleiving in the death penalty?

 

[BVS]

Because there are certain times when people should not have a right to live for what they did to others.

But look at almost every response in this thread. Most believe living with his sins will be far worse of a punishment. Don't make him a matyr.

when did you stop beleiving in the death penalty? [/B]

Never started.

I grew up going to church. Where I was taught love, forgiveness, and compassion. Now of course most of the adults that taught me these moral lessons have forgotten them themselves and belive in all the perversions of religion such as death penalty and what not. But that's their problem not mine.

 

[Justin24]

Do you think the prisoner will feel bad with what he did, do you think that the killer they caught recently who was going to eat that 10 year old girl will ask for forgivness....... No.

You only show your weakness to the killers when you say I forgive you for what you did to my mom, dad, brother or sister. Jesus showed his anger and disgust to the people running the Markets on a holy day. God show's ill will towards people also by creating diseases (mental included), natural disasters, etc...

 

[indra]

Do you think the prisoner will feel bad with what he did, do you think that the killer they caught recently who was going to eat that 10 year old girl will ask for forgivness....... No.

You only show your weakness to the killers when you say I forgive you for what you did to my mom, dad, brother or sister. Jesus showed his anger and disgust to the people running the Markets on a holy day. God show's ill will towards people also by creating diseases (mental included), natural disasters, etc...

Quite frankly I don't care what the killers think or feel. But I have to live with me, and I am better than they are. And that means I don't seek to become what they are...and seeking blood vengeance makes me as bad as they are.

Not killing them isn't forgiving them, and I'm not the type of person to forgive the unforgivable, but letting them stay in jail for the rest of their natural lives doesn't require either forgiveness or the debasement of others. I feel the death penalty does debase those who impose it.

 

[anitram]

What the hell. About a dozen family members of who they lost someone in the 9/11 attacks are going to the defense of Moussaoui!?!

They want the US to show Mercy,unlike his former counterparts.
He should not receive any mercy!

Well as long as your opinion is more valid than that of people who actually lost family members...

How dare they have an opposing opinion!

 

[Justin24]

Yes they can have there opinion on not seeing him die, fine.

If I lost someone in the attacks I would not show one bit of mercy. Why dosent his mother come to these families and ask for forgivness for what her bastard child's group of friends did and how he show's no heart for human kind except for True (extremist ) of Allah.

 

[U2DMfan]

You only show your weakness to the killers when you say I forgive you for what you did to my mom, dad, brother or sister. Jesus showed his anger and disgust to the people running the Markets on a holy day. God show's ill will towards people also by creating diseases (mental included), natural disasters, etc...

I don't understand forgiveness without contrition or remorse.
But it's up to each person to decide for themselves.

If someone killed a loved one of mine, it would only be up to me how to grieve and forgive, or not.

So, I wouldn't assume the shoes of these people, they are dealing the best they can. Personally, I think it speaks very highly of a person who could forgive the worst in man, especially when it directly impacted them. It says they value compassion over vengenance, which may be, as you say, weak. If human life can be taken so easily, then we are ALL fragile, or even weak.

 

[verte76]

I don't think not killing is forgiving them either. I'm opposed to capital punishment, but that's not really why I oppose the execution of Moussaoui. The guy is a worthless bastard. Putting him to death will only make a martyr out of him. We recently found out that there are nuts in the Middle East with the ruckus over the Danish cartoons. Don't feed the monsters............

 

[BVS]

Do you think the prisoner will feel bad with what he did, do you think that the killer they caught recently who was going to eat that 10 year old girl will ask for forgivness....... No.

I don't assume that I can walk in anyone's shoes but my own.

You only show your weakness to the killers when you say I forgive you for what you did to my mom, dad, brother or sister. Jesus showed his anger and disgust to the people running the Markets on a holy day.

Weakness? LOL

Lifetime sentence is not forgiveness. Anger isn't killing.

God show's ill will towards people also by creating diseases (mental included), natural disasters, etc...

A very old testament naive way to look at God.

 

[Justin24]

Do you consider yourself walking in the shoes of Jesus in the way you think on the Death Penalty or any other matter.

 

[BVS]

Do you consider yourself walking in the shoes of Jesus in the way you think on the Death Penalty or any other matter.

Walking in the shoes of Jesus?!

No way.

I try and live in the teachings and examples that he left behind.

 

[Justin24]

Do you think his teaching would say to forgive someone like Maussoui?

I think if he were to see how the world is today. You would have to change your mentality. I think Jesus would go apeshit about the problems in this world. How His Father is being used to destroy buildings, behead, cheat on your husband on wife, molestations etc...

Todays would is the new Sadom and Ghamora.

 

[BVS]

Do you think his teaching would say to forgive someone like Maussoui?

Yes.

I know that's hard to live with sometimes, but that's the truth.

 

[Justin24]

Well to bad Jesus is not hear so we can see what he really has to say.