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Old 04-13-2006, 10:22 PM   #16
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and we're wasting out time on him because?
How are we wasting time?
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Old 04-13-2006, 10:56 PM   #17
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How are we wasting time?


he should be put down immediately.
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Old 04-13-2006, 11:06 PM   #18
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As far as I am aware summary execution has not been put into play.

Give a trial with all the evidence on the table for the whole world to see - people should hear why he did it, people should be told what versus these people justify atrocities with and most importantly the truth of what happened on that day can be determined and protected against historical revisionism in decades to come.
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he should be put down immediately.
You destroy what America is, if you just put someone to death without a trial.
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hrm, i still don't know about this whole 'death penalty' thing. I dont believe in tit for tat for anyone. It just never works properly.
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The title of the thread could have been better.
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We have to recognise the worse part of humanity, if we just write it off as inhuman it will keep repeating itself.




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As far as I am aware summary execution has not been put into play.

Give a trial with all the evidence on the table for the whole world to see - people should hear why he did it, people should be told what versus these people justify atrocities with and most importantly the truth of what happened on that day can be determined and protected against historical revisionism in decades to come.

Completely. It's awful, and gut-wrenching to hear...I had trouble eating my lunch at work while reading the transcript online yesterday. It bothered me greatly, just the senselessness of it all. There were people on that plane who had the potential to change the world, discover a cure for a disease...or just be a good parent to their children. What a shame, that all of that was deleted in the name of a "cause."

Equally senseless, however, is our reaction, and our governments' reactions to "the evildoers" and the "enemy." It behooves each and every one of us to continue the dialogue, and investigate the roots of evil acts, instead of propagating worn stereotypes. (I realize that racial or ethnic slurs weren't used here in the thread, but I guarantee they are being thrown around pretty heavily elsewhere at the moment.)

The easy thing is to execute Moussaoui...the much harder part is trying to understand the environment that warped him so that these events no longer happen.
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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
I hate him as much as everyone else does, but he must have a fair and impartial trial. If we just execute the scumbag without trial, that opens up a whole new can of worms called vigilantism.

So yes, we must try him and sentence him fairly. He will get what is coming to him, do not doubt it. As will all terrorists.
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hrm, i still don't know about this whole 'death penalty' thing. I dont believe in tit for tat for anyone. It just never works properly.


i don't get how one person kills someone and they're a horrible person...excuse me they're inhuman it seems, but the government executes him and it's okay? that's a separate thread, though.
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You destroy what America is, if you just put someone to death without a trial.
as if the u.s. gov't has never done this before.
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If a person kills in self defence they are an awful person?

I would think that the answer is no, and the issue if one of threat - once incarcerated they will usually cease to be a threat.
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Before this gets into a major "death penalty" discussion, I would like to say;

Giving this man a lifetime sentence would actually be a good thing. First of all he would have to deal with what he did for the rest of his life, not in the environment of peers but probably solitary confinement. Secondly he would have to live with the fact that his enemy treated his as human. Death would mean martyr. Now he has to live with the question as to why would these people keep me alive, why would they treat me as human?

But of course that won't happen. But wow, it would do so much in the long run if we did...
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as if the u.s. gov't has never done this before.
Of course they have...
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Before this gets into a major "death penalty" discussion, I would like to say;

Giving this man a lifetime sentence would actually be a good thing. First of all he would have to deal with what he did for the rest of his life, not in the environment of peers but probably solitary confinement. Secondly he would have to live with the fact that his enemy treated his as human. Death would mean martyr. Now he has to live with the question as to why would these people keep me alive, why would they treat me as human?

But of course that won't happen. But wow, it would do so much in the long run if we did...


I agree. I think being kept alive, in a prison for the rest of his life, would be waaaaay worse then a lethal injection to him.

I do believe people get so wrapped up in revenge and emotions they can't see the solution properly and get all he needs to DIE!

and i dont think if he is kept alive that some terrorist would come and rescue him. He ain't osama.

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In this case, he wants to be killed. I do not believe anyone would make those comments who did not wish to die.

LOVE him....and you will cause him more pain.
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