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Old 03-01-2005, 02:42 PM   #16
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oh theyre more or less full of shit. i watched some when i was in the US, and really, if you wanna see explosions reports on how kerry is a far left liberal weener who occasionally flip flops and annoying news reporters bashing liberals and praising bush, instead of news, FOX is your network!

but then, Fox (not fox news) has simpsons and 24, i wonder how fox people get along with the news division!
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Old 03-01-2005, 03:20 PM   #17
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To be fair, Fox has mostly opinion shows each hour.

Bill O'Reilly is basically conservative and poses as the everyman, "I'm looking out for you", cut through the spin type of guy. I would be surprised if he didn't vote for Bush.

Hannity and Colmes is a conservative vs. liberal debate show. Hannity is the stronger personality and often sounds like a broken record. Colmes is a weak debater.

Neil Cavuto does a financial news hour but also covers world events and does commentary. He's conservative.

Greta van Susterin is a liberal I think but does a good job of appearing unbiased. She mainly bores us with the events in the latest trial du juor.

Brit Hume does news and discusses the issues with panelists, Charles Krauthammer, Fred Barnes, William Kristol (Conservative)
Mort Kondrake (Moderate Democrat), Ceci Connoly, Maria Liasson, and Juan Williams (Liberal). Brit is conservative.

All of these shows have guests from all political persuasions who argue their points of view. There seems to be a fair mix of opinions.

Overall, Fox News is conservatives attempting to be "fair and balanced" in the guests they bring on and the opinions presented by these guests.

I'm not so sure the old news networks tried very hard to bring opposing points of view to all issues. There is less live debate and more pre produced "nightline" and "60 Minutes" documentaries that are very subtle in their bias.
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Thanks for the clarification there.
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Old 03-01-2005, 05:54 PM   #19
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I think it's a fair assesment of Fox News primetime. Anyone beg to differ?
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I think it's a fair assesment of Fox News primetime. Anyone beg to differ?
Seems pretty fair to me. There's always such whining about Fox News being conservative...blahblahblah, at least it's a different perspective from the the old media, CNN and MSNBC which lean to the left. Look at the CBS "Memogate" scandal which blatantly tried to bring down the President in the election and tell me they aren't biased...look at the scandal where CNN made a deal with Saddam that they wouldn't report on his atrocities in exchange for media headquarters in Iraq and tell me they aren't biased...
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This thread is dumber than the one that calls on Bush to take military action in Togo.
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This is disgusting. Over a hundred die in Iraq, and the thread is about bitching over Fox News. I mourn every death.
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This thread is dumber than the one that calls on Bush to take military action in Togo.
Wow, the point of that thread flew over your head by about a 1000 miles.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:41 PM   #24
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This may be a little off topic, but oh well.

When was the last time you heard in the news what the TOTAL civilian death toll was for the Iraq war? They always have reports on car bombs killing numbers of people but they never give the total civilian death toll. They always give the total coalition death toll, but never the civilian one. The reason for this is because the civilian death toll is around 26,000. And I doubt that most Americans know this fact. Therefore if the media announced this total death toll, then people's views on the war would surely change. Sadly however, most of us Americans are pig-headed.
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This may be a little off topic, but oh well.

When was the last time you heard in the news what the TOTAL civilian death toll was for the Iraq war? They always have reports on car bombs killing numbers of people but they never give the total civilian death toll. They always give the total coalition death toll, but never the civilian one. The reason for this is because the civilian death toll is around 26,000. And I doubt that most Americans know this fact. Therefore if the media announced this total death toll, then people's views on the war would surely change. Sadly however, most of us Americans are pig-headed.
No the reason is that this 25,000 figure comes from a left wing group that has done no medical and forensic investigations into the alleged deaths. They simply use media reports which is just as inaccurate as the report that the Israely military murdered 7,000 Palestinians at Jenin in 2002.
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No the reason is that this 25,000 figure comes from a left wing group that has done no medical and forensic investigations into the alleged deaths. They simply use media reports which is just as inaccurate as the report that the Israely military murdered 7,000 Palestinians at Jenin in 2002.
Read this, and you will se that you are wrong and the site is not biased:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/background.htm

"We acknowledge that many parties to this conflict will have an interest in manipulating casualty figures for political ends. There is no such thing (and will probably never be such a thing) as an "wholly accurate" figure, which could accepted as historical truth by all parties. This is why we will always publish a minimum and a maximum for each reported incident. Some sources may wish to over-report casualties. Others may wish to under-report them. Our methodology is not biased towards "propaganda" from any particular protagonist in the conflict. We will faithfully reflect the full range of reported deaths in our sources. These sources, which are predominantly Western (including long established press agencies such as Reuters and Associated Press) are unlikely to suppress conservative estimates which can act as a corrective to inflated claims. We rely on the combined, and self-correcting, professionalism of the world's press to deliver meaningful maxima and minima for our count."
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Read this, and you will se that you are wrong and the site is not biased:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/background.htm

"We acknowledge that many parties to this conflict will have an interest in manipulating casualty figures for political ends. There is no such thing (and will probably never be such a thing) as an "wholly accurate" figure, which could accepted as historical truth by all parties. This is why we will always publish a minimum and a maximum for each reported incident. Some sources may wish to over-report casualties. Others may wish to under-report them. Our methodology is not biased towards "propaganda" from any particular protagonist in the conflict. We will faithfully reflect the full range of reported deaths in our sources. These sources, which are predominantly Western (including long established press agencies such as Reuters and Associated Press) are unlikely to suppress conservative estimates which can act as a corrective to inflated claims. We rely on the combined, and self-correcting, professionalism of the world's press to deliver meaningful maxima and minima for our count."
Once again, the United States is able to accurately identify its dead and what caused their death because there is a body to match with what happened and it is studied to determine the cause of death as well as having coroberation of witnesses. There is no such standardized process in regards to the determining civilian deaths in Iraq by any organization. Remember when the World Trade Center was first hit, the death figures were as high as 10,000. But this steadily declined as more accurate information came to light, remains were accurately identified.

All This group is doing is simply collecting media reports and averaging them. This is the type of analysis that led to the bogus reports that the Israely defense force murdered 7,000 Palestinians in the West Bank town of Jenin back in 2002.
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It's so nice that fair and balanced, smart intelligent people like Pat Robertson can appear on shows like Hannity and Colmes so they can talk about how they want the liberal supreme court justices to die.
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Calling Fox news is like calling Taco Bell a restaraunt.
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