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Old 07-20-2005, 09:07 PM   #16
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How effective do you think language is at controlling thought? Being a talk show addict (which means 90% conservative), I'm more familiar with conservative language (codewords) usage (and would appreciate a list of liberal same). I don't mean the blatant insults thrown by both sides. But I mean words and phrases like patriot, family values, activist judges--words and phrases deliberately vaguely defined, which are designed to pit one side against the other.

While I can't think of specifics right now, the left is fairly good at creating politically correct language, a barrier many people are afraid to cross.

Both sides know that that pushing the language usage of choice into the mainstream subconsciously sways thought and opinion without need of good argument.

The political (and other social) arenas are famous for this, but employers do it, charities do it, religions do it, kids do it. It's the fascism of language.

(PS, I think this adminstration figures since it has morals, it doesn't need ethics.)
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Old 07-20-2005, 09:35 PM   #17
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Yeah what melon first said is my understanding as well. ie. basically ethics exist for logical reasons, while morals exist because somebody says so. An example of an ethic is treat others as you would have them treat yourself - that makes sense from a purely logical standpoint, so it can be sort of universal. Morals can be imposed within a framework of spiritual beliefs, because they are consistent with other beliefs within that particular framework.

But as others have said, these days they're almost used interchangeably anyway so it doesn't matter.

What about virtues, then?
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Then we'd have to decide that to be so, hence completely contradicting the above.
We would have to decide to recognize the things that are there, not make them up ourselves.
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I use these words to mean basically the same thing.
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We would have to decide to recognize the things that are there, not make them up ourselves.


are there rules/ethics/morals that aren't made up by humans?

am unaware of any.
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We keep posting them for you.....
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morality - involves emotions and sentiments, values, societies and conventions

ethics - involve rational and logical assesment, more concrete and definitive.
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We keep posting them for you.....


those ten rules that the Buddha found in the desert that were written by Zeus?
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those ten rules that the Buddha found in the desert that were written by Zeus?
You've been reading Melon's posts....
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