Mohammed, an engineering student was visiting his family - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-02-2005, 12:07 AM   #1
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 02:18 AM
Mohammed, an engineering student was visiting his family

when Marines knocked on the door.

the young man rushed to open the door and greeted the group of about 10 Marines and an interpreter who appeared to be Egyptian,

"Mohammed was happy to exercise some of his English," he said.

shortly thereafter he was murdered by American Marines.






Quote:
U.S. Marines Accused of Killing Iraq Man

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 53 minutes ago

Iraq's U.N. ambassador accused U.S. Marines of killing his unarmed young cousin in what appeared to be "cold blood" and demanded an investigation and punishment for the perpetrators.

In an e-mail to friends obtained Friday by The Associated Press, Ambassador Samir Sumaidaie said the killing took place in his ancestral village in western Anbar province, where U.S.-led forces have been conducting a counterinsurgency sweep aimed at disrupting the flow of foreign militants into Iraq.

His cousin Mohammed Al-Sumaidaie, 21, a university student, was killed June 25 when he took Marines doing house-to-house searches to a bedroom to show them where a rifle which had no live ammuntion was kept, the ambassador said. When the Marines left, he was found in the bedroom with a bullet in his neck.

Richard Grenell, spokesman for the U.S. Mission, said acting U.S. ambassador Anne Patterson received a call from the Iraqi ambassador "and expressed her heartfelt condolences on this terrible situation, and contacted senior State Department and Pentagon officials to look into the matter immediately."

The U.S. military issued a statement in response late Friday.

"The events described in the allegations roughly correspond to an incident involving Coalition Forces on that day in that general location; therefore a military inquiry has been initiated," the statement said.

"We take these allegations seriously and will thoroughly investigate this incident to determine what happened," the statement quoted Maj. Gen. Stephen T. Johnson as saying. The investigation could take several weeks, the statement said.

Sumaidaie said the killing represents "a betrayal" of the values and aspirations of Iraqis and Americans to defeat the terrorists and build a country based on freedom, democracy, and respect for human rights and the rule of law.

"It is a betrayal of the American people who are making huge sacrifices to bring this about, and a betrayal of Iraq and all Iraqi patriots who have put their trust in the United States," he said.

In the letter, Sumaidaie gave a detailed account of the tragedy.

Mohammed, an engineering student at the University of Techology in Baghdad, was visiting his family in the village of Al-Shaikh Hadid when the Marines knocked on the door, the ambassador said.

The young man rushed to open the door and greeted the group of about 10 Marines and an interpreter who appeared to be Egyptian pleasantly, "happy to exercise some of his English," he said.

The Marines asked if there were any weapons, and Mohammed said there was a rifle, which only had blanks, the letter said. He then led some of the Marines into his father's bedroom where it was kept, Sumaidaie wrote. His father, the local headmaster, was at school.

A short time later, his mother, brothers and sisters who were kept in the living room heard a thud but they were generally relaxed because they had nothing to hide, and "they thought, nothing to fear," he said.

But later a younger brother, Ali, was dragged by the hair into the corridor by a Marine and was beaten. The mother started sobbing. A Marine then went out and returned with a camera and went into the bedroom. After a while, the family went outside and waited on the porch as they were ordered, the ambassador said.

More than an hour later, as the soldiers were leaving, the interpreter asked the mother in Arabic if that was her son inside. When she replied "yes," the interpreter said, "they killed him!," Sumaidaie said.

"The mother let off a deafening cry of anguish, but the Marines were smiling at each other as they were leaving," he said. "In the bedroom, Mohammed was found dead and laying in a clotted pool of his blood. A single bullet had penetrated his neck," the ambassador said.

The ambassador wrote that he believed "a serious crime has been commited — a crime that may be repeated up and down Al-Anbar" and demanded an investigation into what he said appeared to be the "killing of an unarmed innocent civilian — a cold blood murder."
__________________

__________________
deep is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 03:51 AM   #2
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BonosSaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,566
Local Time: 06:18 AM
Please let this not be true.
__________________

__________________
BonosSaint is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 05:34 AM   #3
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 08:18 PM
Please let it be investigated before passing judgement.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 08:15 AM   #4
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 02:18 AM
Do you mean covered up

Swept under the carpet
__________________
deep is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 08:22 AM   #5
ONE
love, blood, life
 
melon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 11,781
Local Time: 05:18 AM
I'm no longer surprised by anything that's done.

Melon
__________________
melon is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 09:27 AM   #6
Blue Crack Addict
 
verte76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: hoping for changes
Posts: 23,331
Local Time: 10:18 AM
This sort of thing no longer shocks me. I'm disgusted but what can I do? Demonstrate? Hey, ideas, ideas...........
__________________
verte76 is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 09:47 AM   #7
Blue Crack Addict
 
U2Girl1978's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: At the altar of the dark star
Posts: 19,374
Local Time: 06:18 AM
If this story is true it is sickening and appalling.
__________________
U2Girl1978 is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 09:59 AM   #8
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 02:18 AM
This is not what these young Americans set out to do.

I am sure they come from decent families


but, I don't buy these are isolated incidents

After being shot at. Watching fellow soldiers die terribly

They lose focus and want revenge and there is no accountability.


This is one case that will not go away, Because of who his uncle is.


If this was just a typical Iraqi

The story would be, that he pointed the rifle at the TEN marines
and it was self defense.

and it would get absolutely NO notice.




This may not change many minds in the red states.

But, the Iraqi people know these incidents.




Most Iraqis do not support the insurgents
But, Americans are no longer seen as liberators.

The Ameriican battle for Iraq is lost.
American intervention only prolongs the inevitable.

Iraqis will have to sort out their own future,
it may not be pretty, but it is their country.



It is bankrupting our economy.
It is enriching the Administration’s cronies.

It is criminal.
__________________
deep is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 10:28 AM   #9
ONE
love, blood, life
 
melon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 11,781
Local Time: 05:18 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by deep
The Ameriican battle for Iraq is lost.
American intervention only prolongs the inevitable.

Iraqis will have to sort out their own future,
it may not be pretty, but it is their country.
Of course. In many ways, Iraq is a lot like what Yugoslavia used to be: an artificial creation led by a dictator. Then the dictator dies and 10 years later, all the different cultures are at each other's throats and become separate countries.

Iraq will eventually be three different countries. Guaranteed. With Americans around and cameras pointed at the leadership, they're full of optimistic words and phrases. But what about once the Americans are gone and the cameras are turned off? To think that they'll get along long enough is probably a fallacy, because just as soon as they set their "balance," some high-ranking religious leader will kick up some shit to make a name for himself and order all their followers to rebel. And, like sheep, they'll listen and it will devolve into Civil War.

Melon
__________________
melon is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 11:04 AM   #10
War Child
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: OC
Posts: 711
Local Time: 10:18 AM
Re: Mohammed, an engineering student was visiting his family

Quote:
Originally posted by deep
when Marines knocked on the door.

the young man rushed to open the door and greeted the group of about 10 Marines and an interpreter who appeared to be Egyptian,

"Mohammed was happy to exercise some of his English," he said.

shortly thereafter he was murdered by American Marines.






I missed the bit about the investigation and court-martial, could you re-post that please ?
__________________
cardosino is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 11:08 AM   #11
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,471
Local Time: 05:18 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by melon


Of course. In many ways, Iraq is a lot like what Yugoslavia used to be: an artificial creation led by a dictator. Then the dictator dies and 10 years later, all the different cultures are at each other's throats and become separate countries.

Iraq will eventually be three different countries. Guaranteed. With Americans around and cameras pointed at the leadership, they're full of optimistic words and phrases. But what about once the Americans are gone and the cameras are turned off? To think that they'll get along long enough is probably a fallacy, because just as soon as they set their "balance," some high-ranking religious leader will kick up some shit to make a name for himself and order all their followers to rebel. And, like sheep, they'll listen and it will devolve into Civil War.

Melon


many of us said this 2 years ago.

but this administration is not known for it's anthropological sensitivity.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 11:10 AM   #12
Blue Crack Addict
 
verte76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: hoping for changes
Posts: 23,331
Local Time: 10:18 AM
Yeah, Iraq will become three countries. In a sense all of the countries of the Middle East are "artificial", created by outsiders. An Arab's first loyalty is to his tribe. Al-Zarkawi doesn't give a damn that he was born in Jordan. He gives a damn that he's a member of a tribe with many members born in Iraq. Arabs also give a damn that they're not Persian. Persians give a damn that they're not Arabs and Turks give a damn that they're not Persian, Armenian or Georgian (the Kurds are ethnically Persian fyi).
__________________
verte76 is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 11:12 AM   #13
Refugee
 
Sevikins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: NIMCO, where the dead buses go.
Posts: 2,296
Local Time: 06:18 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by BonosSaint
Please let this not be true.
__________________
Sevikins is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 12:30 PM   #14
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 02:18 AM
Re: Re: Mohammed, an engineering student was visiting his family

Quote:
Originally posted by cardosino
I missed the bit about the investigation and court-martial, could you re-post that please ?
That's not the point of deep's thread
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 07-02-2005, 01:14 PM   #15
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,641
Local Time: 04:18 AM
Re: Re: Mohammed, an engineering student was visiting his family

Quote:
Originally posted by cardosino


I missed the bit about the investigation and court-martial, could you re-post that please ?
You mean like those "terrorists" in Gitmo, goes both ways doesn't it?

If this story turns out true, it's utterly appalling!
__________________

__________________
BVS is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com