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when Marines knocked on the door.

the young man rushed to open the door and greeted the group of about 10 Marines and an interpreter who appeared to be Egyptian,

"Mohammed was happy to exercise some of his English," he said.

shortly thereafter he was murdered by American Marines.






U.S. Marines Accused of Killing Iraq Man

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 53 minutes ago

Iraq's U.N. ambassador accused U.S. Marines of killing his unarmed young cousin in what appeared to be "cold blood" and demanded an investigation and punishment for the perpetrators.

In an e-mail to friends obtained Friday by The Associated Press, Ambassador Samir Sumaidaie said the killing took place in his ancestral village in western Anbar province, where U.S.-led forces have been conducting a counterinsurgency sweep aimed at disrupting the flow of foreign militants into Iraq.

His cousin Mohammed Al-Sumaidaie, 21, a university student, was killed June 25 when he took Marines doing house-to-house searches to a bedroom to show them where a rifle which had no live ammuntion was kept, the ambassador said. When the Marines left, he was found in the bedroom with a bullet in his neck.

Richard Grenell, spokesman for the U.S. Mission, said acting U.S. ambassador Anne Patterson received a call from the Iraqi ambassador "and expressed her heartfelt condolences on this terrible situation, and contacted senior State Department and Pentagon officials to look into the matter immediately."

The U.S. military issued a statement in response late Friday.

"The events described in the allegations roughly correspond to an incident involving Coalition Forces on that day in that general location; therefore a military inquiry has been initiated," the statement said.

"We take these allegations seriously and will thoroughly investigate this incident to determine what happened," the statement quoted Maj. Gen. Stephen T. Johnson as saying. The investigation could take several weeks, the statement said.

Sumaidaie said the killing represents "a betrayal" of the values and aspirations of Iraqis and Americans to defeat the terrorists and build a country based on freedom, democracy, and respect for human rights and the rule of law.

"It is a betrayal of the American people who are making huge sacrifices to bring this about, and a betrayal of Iraq and all Iraqi patriots who have put their trust in the United States," he said.

In the letter, Sumaidaie gave a detailed account of the tragedy.

Mohammed, an engineering student at the University of Techology in Baghdad, was visiting his family in the village of Al-Shaikh Hadid when the Marines knocked on the door, the ambassador said.

The young man rushed to open the door and greeted the group of about 10 Marines and an interpreter who appeared to be Egyptian pleasantly, "happy to exercise some of his English," he said.

The Marines asked if there were any weapons, and Mohammed said there was a rifle, which only had blanks, the letter said. He then led some of the Marines into his father's bedroom where it was kept, Sumaidaie wrote. His father, the local headmaster, was at school.

A short time later, his mother, brothers and sisters who were kept in the living room heard a thud but they were generally relaxed because they had nothing to hide, and "they thought, nothing to fear," he said.

But later a younger brother, Ali, was dragged by the hair into the corridor by a Marine and was beaten. The mother started sobbing. A Marine then went out and returned with a camera and went into the bedroom. After a while, the family went outside and waited on the porch as they were ordered, the ambassador said.

More than an hour later, as the soldiers were leaving, the interpreter asked the mother in Arabic if that was her son inside. When she replied "yes," the interpreter said, "they killed him!," Sumaidaie said.

"The mother let off a deafening cry of anguish, but the Marines were smiling at each other as they were leaving," he said. "In the bedroom, Mohammed was found dead and laying in a clotted pool of his blood. A single bullet had penetrated his neck," the ambassador said.

The ambassador wrote that he believed "a serious crime has been commited — a crime that may be repeated up and down Al-Anbar" and demanded an investigation into what he said appeared to be the "killing of an unarmed innocent civilian — a cold blood murder."
 
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This is not what these young Americans set out to do.

I am sure they come from decent families


but, I don't buy these are isolated incidents

After being shot at. Watching fellow soldiers die terribly

They lose focus and want revenge and there is no accountability.


This is one case that will not go away, Because of who his uncle is.


If this was just a typical Iraqi

The story would be, that he pointed the rifle at the TEN marines
and it was self defense.

and it would get absolutely NO notice.




This may not change many minds in the red states.

But, the Iraqi people know these incidents.




Most Iraqis do not support the insurgents
But, Americans are no longer seen as liberators.

The Ameriican battle for Iraq is lost.
American intervention only prolongs the inevitable.

Iraqis will have to sort out their own future,
it may not be pretty, but it is their country.



It is bankrupting our economy.
It is enriching the Administration’s cronies.

It is criminal.
 
deep said:
The Ameriican battle for Iraq is lost.
American intervention only prolongs the inevitable.

Iraqis will have to sort out their own future,
it may not be pretty, but it is their country.

Of course. In many ways, Iraq is a lot like what Yugoslavia used to be: an artificial creation led by a dictator. Then the dictator dies and 10 years later, all the different cultures are at each other's throats and become separate countries.

Iraq will eventually be three different countries. Guaranteed. With Americans around and cameras pointed at the leadership, they're full of optimistic words and phrases. But what about once the Americans are gone and the cameras are turned off? To think that they'll get along long enough is probably a fallacy, because just as soon as they set their "balance," some high-ranking religious leader will kick up some shit to make a name for himself and order all their followers to rebel. And, like sheep, they'll listen and it will devolve into Civil War.

Melon
 
deep said:
when Marines knocked on the door.

the young man rushed to open the door and greeted the group of about 10 Marines and an interpreter who appeared to be Egyptian,

"Mohammed was happy to exercise some of his English," he said.

shortly thereafter he was murdered by American Marines.







I missed the bit about the investigation and court-martial, could you re-post that please ?
 
melon said:


Of course. In many ways, Iraq is a lot like what Yugoslavia used to be: an artificial creation led by a dictator. Then the dictator dies and 10 years later, all the different cultures are at each other's throats and become separate countries.

Iraq will eventually be three different countries. Guaranteed. With Americans around and cameras pointed at the leadership, they're full of optimistic words and phrases. But what about once the Americans are gone and the cameras are turned off? To think that they'll get along long enough is probably a fallacy, because just as soon as they set their "balance," some high-ranking religious leader will kick up some shit to make a name for himself and order all their followers to rebel. And, like sheep, they'll listen and it will devolve into Civil War.

Melon



many of us said this 2 years ago.

but this administration is not known for it's anthropological sensitivity.
 
Yeah, Iraq will become three countries. In a sense all of the countries of the Middle East are "artificial", created by outsiders. An Arab's first loyalty is to his tribe. Al-Zarkawi doesn't give a damn that he was born in Jordan. He gives a damn that he's a member of a tribe with many members born in Iraq. Arabs also give a damn that they're not Persian. Persians give a damn that they're not Arabs and Turks give a damn that they're not Persian, Armenian or Georgian (the Kurds are ethnically Persian fyi).
 
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cardosino said:
I missed the bit about the investigation and court-martial, could you re-post that please ?

That's not the point of deep's thread
 
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cardosino said:


I missed the bit about the investigation and court-martial, could you re-post that please ?

You mean like those "terrorists" in Gitmo, goes both ways doesn't it?

If this story turns out true, it's utterly appalling!
 
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nbcrusader said:


That's not the point of deep's thread

Deep's comment:

"thereafter he was murdered by American Marines."

I guess it must be true, the investigation concluded, Marines found guilty and sentenced.
 
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BonoVoxSupastar said:


You mean like those "terrorists" in Gitmo, goes both ways doesn't it?

2 wrongs DO make a right ?

BonoVoxSupastar said:

If this story turns out true, it's utterly appalling!

Glad to see you used "if" unlike some others who have already made up thei r minds.

And yes, IF true it IS appaling and those responsible should be punished accordingly.
 
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cardosino said:


2 wrongs DO make a right ?
Not my point. My point is that the same people who will pounce on this article are the ones who are so willing to already sentence everyone in Gitmo as a terrorist without any kind of trial.
 
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BonoVoxSupastar said:

Not my point. My point is that the same people who will pounce on this article are the ones who are so willing to already sentence everyone in Gitmo as a terrorist without any kind of trial.

Really ?

Who ?
 
I have said that those in gitmo should be charged in most situations, but they should be held until the case can either go ahead or be dismissed.

Different thresholds, here you have a possible violation by uniformed soldiers, murdering an unarmed civilian, something that is very wrong. There is testimony and evidence that is there to be analysed in a court marshal and most importantly the US Marines are not an element of or affiliated with a terrorist group with the clear purpose of murdering civilians and violating principles of civilisation such as sanctuary in the process. In terms of threat these soldiers in all probability would not be on par with a foreign jihadist picked up in Pakistan by the Pakistani Army with Taliban fighters. Cost benefit analysis, in the case of Al Qaeda it is better to keep these highly suspect men locked up when you catch them rather than let them go as soon as a certain ammount of time passes.
 
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BonoVoxSupastar said:


You haven't been in FYM long enough, just pay attention.

You can't name me one person. Fair enough.
 
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cardosino said:


You can't name me one person. Fair enough.

I could but I won't. I'm trying to be fair in here, give me a break.
 
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