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Old 09-30-2006, 06:54 PM   #16
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Tone down the language and personal attacks.
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Old 09-30-2006, 06:56 PM   #17
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It's being looked into:



It was looked into, in August.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ipodreport/
http://www.betanews.com/article/Appl...ode/1155917818
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FSCK YOU! All I got to say.
OK, so nothing more to really add to the debate then ? ok.
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Old 09-30-2006, 07:45 PM   #19
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More interesting information:

http://www.greenpeace.org/apple/about.html
http://www.greenpeace.org/apple/itox.html

Feel free to debate. I'm not reading this thread any more - I've contacted some persons who can get Bono to say his opinion on this.
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More interesting information:

http://www.greenpeace.org/apple/about.html
http://www.greenpeace.org/apple/itox.html

Feel free to debate. I'm not reading this thread any more - I've contacted some persons who can get Bono to say his opinion on this.
well, none of that had anything to do with worker conditions. We'll wait to hear what your contacts get Bono to say

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I'm not reading this thread any more - I've contacted some persons who can get Bono to say his opinion on this.

While you're at it, ask him about the new album.
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Do we know what the cost of living is in those situations? The dollars and cents of it, while horrific, would make more sense if it cost $500 a month to live and they're only making $50.
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All of this stuff is too blasted expensive for me.
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And yet their player is THE most expensive out there...wonder where the iPod-buyers' cash goes? Capitalist pigs

Not that many other businesses are any different I'm sure
Apple charges what they charge because people will pay it.

Personally I wouldn't touch an apple/ipod/mac, i can get similar products for less which perform the same function.

and since I have a brain, I can use a PC instead of buying a mac.
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:58 PM   #25
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You finish your shift, you eat & sleep just to start your next shift. Those people basically work to survive.
It's sad, but I'd agree. Most Americans too, live on paycheck to paycheck in order to survive. Below the poverty line isn't restricted to outsourced persons anymore sadly.
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Wasn't able to view the links but here's a harsh reality.

The comfortable "normal" standard of living that those of us in the west enjoy (and I'm not talking rich, just "normal") is built on the backs of the majority of the world's population which endures a much lower standard of living.

The hard question is this: Is it actually feasible for every person in the world to have the standard of living we consider normal here in the West?
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Economic inequality is worse in many western countries. As for the comfortable "normal" standard of living, is it really what we claim it to be? How many of us, or in the US cannot afford health care? The cost of education is killing young people and the families who are trying to support their kids. We live in a credit card 'interest free period' world and most of us struggle daily, weekly, monthly. How many of us will pay off a mortgage in our lifetimes? How many of us can envision the day we even get a mortgage? We're choking on our own flashy excess, yes, but we're also relatively fucked, comparatively, and not exactly living in ideal conditions others should strive for. I think the way many of us live is ridiculous - which then makes how some others live just criminal.
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So is inequality better than everyone being poor but equal?
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So is inequality better than everyone being poor but equal?
Because we're not allowed a choice C I suppose?

And if I'm poor then yes I'd rather everyone else is too, frankly.
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Because we're not allowed a choice C I suppose?

And if I'm poor then yes I'd rather everyone else is too, frankly.
But if you had the opportunity to earn more money, even if meant putting up with harsh or restrictive conditions in order to do so, would you choose to take the offer up?
I read something a while ago about the situation in China. Rural areas are stricken with poverty which has led to many people choosing to move to the cities to take up factory jobs where they do get paid a lot more money than they would otherwise earn in villages but the working conditions are not always great. Many then send the extra money they earn back home to help their families.
The situation isn't dissimilar in some respects to England where there is a huge number of unskilled/semi-skilled migrant workers moving here from abroad because they can earn a helluva lot more than in their home countries. In a lot of cases they are being exploited to some degree by their employers who put them up in cramped housing and work them long hours but they put up with it because of the financial benefits. Noone is forcing such workers to move here -it's their choice. Isn't it human nature for most to want to improve their lot?
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