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Old 08-16-2005, 11:13 AM   #1
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Mistakes Led to Tube Shooting

I can't find a better article, but the news reports are really interesting.

Mistakes led to tube shooting
6.57PM, Tue Aug 16 2005

ITV News has obtained secret documents and photographs that detail why police shot Jean Charles De Menezes dead on the tube.

The Brazilian electrician was killed on 22 July, the day after the series of failed bombings on the tube and bus network.

The crucial mistake that ultimately led to his death was made at 9.30am when Jean Charles left his flat in Scotia Road, South London.

Surveillance officers wrongly believed he could have been Hussain Osman, one of the prime suspects, or another terrorist suspect.

By 10am that morning, elite firearms officers were provided with what they describe as "positive identification" and shot De Menezes eight times in the head and upper body.

The documents and photographs confirm that Jean Charles was not carrying any bags, and was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky winter coat, as had previously been claimed.

He was behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, even stopping to pick up a free newspaper.

He started running when we saw a tube at the platform. Police HAD agreed they would shoot a suspect if he ran.

http://www.itn.co.uk/news/1677571.html
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:28 AM   #2
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I have to wonder what the "positive identification" was

that picture is awful
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:35 AM   #3
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So if this article is true,

We had a pack of lies before.


He ran to catch a train



and all the people who jumped on board
saying he brought it on himself
were dead wrong

just a bunch of lackeys?
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Old 08-16-2005, 12:20 PM   #4
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just a bunch of lackeys?
Probably not that devious. I think, frankly, most people were just plain shocked by the whole thing, and I think that, after hearing what happened, a lot of people want to rightfully justify what happened. For most people, it is unconscionable to think that their government could kill someone that indiscriminately.

But, apparently, that's exactly what happened.

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Old 08-16-2005, 12:21 PM   #5
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Sorry about the picture. I would have posted a warning about it, but it wasn't there when I first looked at the site (or if it was, I didn't notice it since I was listening to the report on TV at the same time).
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It's OK about the picture, don't worry about that we can't hide from the reality
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:51 PM   #7
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Ok, so he wasn't even running AWAY from the police, he was running for the TRAIN.

Now as I recall it, when the initial story was posted some posters on here decided the guy kind of deserved it cause he was allegedly running from the police, so, hey, he must have been 'up to something', so he kind of, sort of, had it coming, etc....

I wonder if those people have any comments to make now?
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What a horrible misunderstanding.
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It's a bitch having brown skin nowadays.
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What a horrible mistake. You're right, martha, it's a pain in the ass to be brown-skinned these days.
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I just hope this whole affair, if this is indeed the true account of what happened, gets the media coverage necessary to ensure that this kind of thing does not happen again and clear the name of Jean Charles de Menezes. Also, the investigation better determine why such misinformation was deemed credible especially the remarks about "bulky winter coat" and "running into the tube". How could the police allow such remarks to be used by the media when they would have known right from the beginning that this was false?
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Ok, so he wasn't even running AWAY from the police, he was running for the TRAIN.

Now as I recall it, when the initial story was posted some posters on here decided the guy kind of deserved it cause he was allegedly running from the police, so, hey, he must have been 'up to something', so he kind of, sort of, had it coming, etc....

I wonder if those people have any comments to make now?
I was one of those people. Information that we had previously been given was obviously wrong, and we were working off incorrect information.

It happens.
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Old 08-16-2005, 10:07 PM   #13
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I was not one of those people; this is not the full investigation and we only have a portion of it, I still reserve judgement until it is complete.

The firing of the shots, the following prior, the conflicting reports and possible misinformation are all very important.
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Old 08-17-2005, 12:39 AM   #14
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What makes me furious (beyond the fact that his happened at all, obviously) is that so many lies were told about this. The police justified their decision by claiming he was running away? Not so. He vaulted a ticket barrier? Not so much. He was wearing a bulky coat? Try a light denim jacket.

I think a lot of people in the UK will have lost trust in the police over this incident, not only because the police killed an innocent person, but also because it's clear the police were willing to tell blatant lies in order to 'justify' their actions.
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Old 08-17-2005, 01:00 AM   #15
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No, i dont care if you're "working off incorrect information" mostly you need to step back and not take in everything you read, but actually stand back and view it with your own eyes with all the information you've been given.

People are way to quick to judge people these days. Sad that it had to end in a human life, which many posters couldnt grasp that fact.
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