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Old 08-17-2005, 02:24 PM   #31
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All I can say, is my sun (4years old) is so tan compared to his ass, that if he did not look so much like me, I would wonder where he came from. He is so TAN, he does not look white at all.

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Old 08-17-2005, 02:26 PM   #32
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My dad's whole side of the family are white-ass Jews, and his sister is so dark...she could pass for black in summer. I've always wanted to ask my grandmother about this interesting phenomenon...
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The police and witnesses didn't think he was white. They thought he was Asian. The police described him as having the same "Mongolian eyes" as one of the bombing suspects.

http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/View...icleID=1116859
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This guy looks Asian??
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Old 08-17-2005, 02:36 PM   #35
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Can anybody see the side by side comparison I posted (the second picture)? The picture of Menezes keeps disappearing so it looks like I posted two pictures of Osman without explanation.
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That's a valid point. It is certainly wrong to assume that police are racist. These days so many stories are in the news about profiling and such, and profiling does happen. Still, it's grossly unfair to accuse every cop of being racist.
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This guy looks Asian??
According to the police.
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This comparison of events makes for interesting/horrifying reading:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4158832.stm
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This is all very disturbing.
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:33 PM   #41
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Like a lot of people, de Menezes looks like he might belong to any one of a dozen or so ethnic groups. In defense of the notion that he "looks Asian," I will say that from my own experience traveling in Central Asia, he does indeed resemble a certain type of face that you frequently see there. However, it's a kind of face that you're just as likely to see in many parts of Europe, Latin America and the Middle East...

The wording of the article meegannie linked to is perhaps relevant:

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The documents suggest one of the officers watching the flats was relieving himself as Mr de Menezes left the building at 9.30am and failed to identify him or switch on video equipment. He alerted other officers to check whether he was a suspect. Another plain-clothes officer followed the Brazilian electrician and was unable to identify him as the suspect but said he had "distinctive Mongolian eyes".

Mr de Menezes caught a bus to Stockwell Tube station and by 10am firearms officers had been given "positive identification" he was a suspect. It remains unclear how this "positive identification" came about.
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My dad's whole side of the family are white-ass Jews, and his sister is so dark...she could pass for black in summer.
A lot of Jewish families are like that. Genetics isn't like mixing paints; what you get won't necessarily resemble a "blend." I get "Huh, you don't look Jewish" all the time because of my red hair and green eyes, which always makes me smile--having been to Israel, I've seen firsthand that we come in every skin, hair and eye color of the rainbow. 2000+ years of diaspora will do that to your gene pool...
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^yeah true, there's the Hassidic (I hope I spelled that right) Jews...more of a mediterranean flava, I think.

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Jesus, did I say all cops were racist? No. Go back and reread what I said.

And I think further posts back up my assertion that there was a racial basis for this poor guy being tailed. If he were as white as some of you claim, he would not have been suspected of being of middle-eastern heritage.

If you read accounts of police shootings of innocent and/or unarmed people, you will find that many, many of them are people of color. If that makes some of you defensive or uncomfortable, then you'll have to work that out.
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Well martha, the guy does look really white from the pictures. That's why I have such a hard time believing they could positively ID him as the suspect. It makes no sense. I absolutely agree that in many cities colored people experience a higher rate of police brutality, and it's wrong. There's no evidence that racism had anything to do with this case though.

If he was more Middle Eastern looking and was shot, would you say that's racism? Or would you say it was a result of the police wrongly identifying him as someone else, one factor in that being that they had identical skintones?
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Well I guess that the reactive law enforcement is the best way to go to fight terror.
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