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Old 08-17-2005, 02:20 AM   #16
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I may or may not be one of these people referred to, and my defence is simple: while people were quickly crucifying the police, I was simply pointing out we didn't have all the information, that what we had didn't quite add up, and the police may have had justification for what they did.

This still doesn't completely add up. Why would police shoot a man without giving him a chance to go peacefully? I await the full results of an investigation. Let's not hang anyone yet.
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Old 08-17-2005, 01:24 PM   #17
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Why would police shoot a man without giving him a chance to go peacefully?
Because they can.

It happens more than you'd like to think it does.

And usually to people of color.
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Old 08-17-2005, 01:29 PM   #18
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Do you think the police shot this man because they were racist or otherwise itching for a kill?

I think the problem lies in the initial positive identification, which turned out not to be.
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Would they have been so ready to shoot if he had been from Norway?
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A brilliant theory except for the minor detail that the man was white? He certainly doesn't look like a Pakistani or Bangledeshi.

Maybe he got a heavy suntan in those years living in the UK.
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Old 08-17-2005, 01:58 PM   #21
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The guy was white.

And why do people assume that there is total systematic racism rampant in EVERY police force in the world? I've never quite understood that. Sure, there are some highly publicized cases of racist police, but to paint every police officer with the same brush, or to assume that if someone of color is shot that it's only because the police are racist seems rather closed-minded to me.
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So this guy was white? I mean, I know skintone can vary within ethnic groups...he could've been a dark Brazilian or the suspected terrorist may have been a light Arab. It's hard to believe the police would positively identify a suspect when there was something as obvious as skin color not in common...(and I'm not saying you're wrong, but that it would be hard to believe the police's version of events if that were the case).
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As white as me.
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The guy was white.

And why do people assume that there is total systematic racism rampant in EVERY police force in the world? I've never quite understood that. Sure, there are some highly publicized cases of racist police, but to paint every police officer with the same brush, or to assume that if someone of color is shot that it's only because the police are racist seems rather closed-minded to me.
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Well, my stepmom is a Corporal in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and is in charge of a 6-person detachment in a small town, and it just pisses me off to no end that people assume that because she's a police officer, she automatically hates everyone who isn't white and is just looking for an excuse to shoot them.

And it scares me that there are some people on this forum that think that way (you know who you are).
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So now we can conclude that the British police involved aren't racist, just blind or stupid.
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That kind of mistaken identification is bad policing, either on the end of the pursuing officers (who mistakenly sent the wrong details to the ID officers), or the identification officers made a wrong assessment. It doesn't mean that they were itching for a kill.
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Maybe it's the sun, but that guy's whiter than me. I don't even understand how they could have positively ID'd him as "Osmann"...I have a very hard time believing that.
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