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Old 08-14-2006, 07:35 PM   #16
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I believe in miracles. A miracle is something that only happens when there's divine intervention. Usually the Catholic Church requires proof that someone is responsible for at least two miracles for canonization. Exceptions are made if the person is being canonized as a martyr. St. Maximillian Kolbe, a Franciscan who died in a concentration camp in Poland, was canonized as a martyr. I couldn't be a Catholic if I didn't believe in miracles.
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why are miracles so important to some believers?

what if we could disprove each and every assumed miracle? would this affect your faith?
Given that the thread framed miracles in light of Christianity, I think the best guide to the answer is to look at Scripture. Miracles are identified as important to remind us of the power of God that is active in our lives. “You are the God who performs miracles; you display your power among the peoples.” Psalm 77:14

There is no standard to suggest that we must prove or disprove miracles to support faith, just use these instances to acknowledge God with praise and thanksgiving.

Scripture even suggests a downfall to not responding to miracles. “Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.” Matthew 11:20.
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Miracles are identified as important to remind us of the power of God that is active in our lives.


so if there are no miracles, then what?
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:16 PM   #19
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I use the example from Daniel 3:16-18:

Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up."

Faith is not dependent on seenig God in action.
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Faith is not dependent on seenig God in action.


i'd agree with that, but what about others? why the flocking to visions of Mary on a kitchen door or the image of Jesus on a grilled cheese sandwich?
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That is just the Western examples. Eastern Orthodoxy is heavily influenced by icons and relics. Personally, I think it flirts with the prohibition against idols (worship shifting from the Creator to the created). Open criticism of the practice, however, may cause someone else to stumble in their faith.

Instances of people flocking to such appearances reflects a spiritual hunger.
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