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Old 01-24-2004, 04:16 PM   #16
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McCain is a fine American, it's great to see him out supporting Bush and trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage.

McCain is now serving as co-chairman of Bush’s re-election campaign in Arizona.
"I am committed to do whatever I can to help the president’s re-election," McCain said.

Hopefully McCain might run for President in 2008, it would be great to see Jeb Bush as his Vice President running mate, let's keep this country moving in the right direction.
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Old 01-24-2004, 08:54 PM   #17
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Interesting, I never imagined that it could be argued that Cheney's daughter delivered the election because of NH and Florida. I wonder how true these statements are in the article. Has anyone come across any kind of demographic breakdown for this type of statistic? The gay vote put Bush in office?

The tone of the letter really bothers me, and yes, I understand, this man feels his rights are under seige, but he is channeling it a one person. To lay it at her feet, is wrong. It is her father, and I cannot fault a child for supporting their parent in an election. Sorry.

Still, he makes an interesting case for how bush won the last election.
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Old 01-25-2004, 12:13 AM   #18
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Re: Re: Mary Cheney is a fine American patriot

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The only reason why I think you're still here is because you are probably a moderator / admin troll. Oh well...if that's the case, I'll probably never find out.

Until then, I guess, people will just have to continue adding you to their "Ignore" lists.

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So now it is one of us making these posts?
Easy on these accusations melon.
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God is allmighty so it would be easy for him to force us to do what we should do.
For a verry good reason God is pro choice, so everyone has decide on his own what he wants to do.
Why do you think it's good to force people to believe the same way like you do?
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Old 01-25-2004, 09:47 AM   #20
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Re: Re: Re: Mary Cheney is a fine American patriot

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So now it is one of us making these posts?
Easy on these accusations melon.
Don't worry. No more accusations. I wash my hands of it.

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Frankly, the tone of his article is almost as nasty as some of the homophobic articles I've read recently. He might passionately disagree with Mary Cheney and feel that she's betraying the gay community, but he should be able to articulate that without resorting to such hateful comments.
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You (and others) have a point, Fizzing, but gays in this country have a right to be very angry. They have been pushed to this point. I personally wouldn't mind seeing more angry gays speaking out --and you're right, that can be done without hate. Maybe Mary Cheney is an odd target but if she's going to campaign publicly for Bush/Cheney then she should be able to take the flack because it always gets nasty election time. Anyone choosing that public role for themselves should be able to take the flack, for that matter.
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Oh I absolutely agree that gay people have a right to be angry, especially with regard to the actions of the current administration and I'd definitely like to see more people speaking out publicly on that subject. I just think that Mary Cheney has probably had more than her share of nasty hateful comments (exactly how tolerant do we think the right-wing of the Republican party are towards lesbians? ) and doesn't really need to hear that she's a "fiendish, nasty example of a human being." On the other hand, I suppose you could argue (as the author does) that her relatively privileged position means that she probably experiences less prejudice on a day-to-day basis than your average gay person.

I personally wouldn't care if she were campaigning for the Republican party on any issue other than gay rights, but given that party's record on gay rights, I do find it hard to accept that someone who's gay could in good conscience campaign for Republicans because of their position on gay rights.

In short, I agree with the sentiments expressed by the author, I just think he could have expressed himself without resorting to vicious personal insults.
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Frankly, the tone of his article is almost as nasty as some of the homophobic articles I've read recently.
You mean, like this one?

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Posted: January 25, 2004 12:01 a.m. ET

(Rome) Pope John Paul II accused the media Saturday of glamorizing homosexuality and desensitizing the public about abortion.

In a statement to mark the lead up to the Church's World Communications Day the pontiff said the media was not doing enough to promote traditional family life.

"All communication has a moral dimension," his statement said. "People grow or diminish in moral stature by the words which they speak and the messages which they choose to hear."

"Infidelity, sexual activity outside of marriage, and the absence of a moral and spiritual vision of the marriage covenant are depicted uncritically, while positive support is at times given to divorce, contraception, abortion and homosexuality. Such portrayals, by promoting causes inimical to marriage and the family, are detrimental to the common good of society," the papal statement said.

He urged professional communicators to recognize their "moral responsibility" and to exercise "wisdom, good judgment and fairness in their presentation of issues involving sexuality, marriage and family life".

And he said if he media does not exercise "restraint" the state should step in. The pontifical statement called for regulations to stop the media from acting against "the good of the family," although it said the pope rejected outright censorship.
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I love how a sexist, autocratic organization can make such comments with a straight face. Maybe it's time the media started telling the truth about Catholicism.

Sad to say, I've grown ashamed to have once been Catholic, and I can thank this bitter old man for showing me the truth about how delusional this religion is.

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joyfulgirl: If everybody would be angry who think that he has the right to be angry we would have violnece and war all over.

If you want to be better then the other you should behave better. If you don't want to be better behaving than your oponent, don't complain about the way he treats you.

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LOL

Melon is now questioning the moral authority of the Pope and calling it delusional, this should be interesting to see

2003 was the year that the Pope and Bono were both nominated to win the Nobel Prize.

"the Pope gave usmore support than we expected." said by Bono

"the Pope's courage amazes me," Bono said
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You mean, like this one?
I didn't actually have any particular article in mind, but that one fits the bill pretty well. I'm still waiting for someone to explain exactly why homosexuality is "detrimental to the common good of society."

LipstickBoy,
Just because Bono expressed appreciation for the Pope's comments in the past doesn't mean that he approves of his position on every issue. Without trying to predict Bono's opinions, I doubt that he would express support for the Pope's condemnation of homosexuality.
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I wish the Catholic Church would change its tune on the issue, it should be more inclusive. Oh, well. Now we know why Shirin Ebadi got the Nobel Peace Prize, not the Pope.
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Melon: There are individuals in this forum ("delusional," "sexist," and "autocratic" though they may be) who are still Catholic. I urge you to show a bit more respect for a faith that has also done a lot of good in the world; names like Oscar Romero, Desmond Tutu, and Dorothy Day still mean something to you, don't they?
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joyfulgirl: If everybody would be angry who think that he has the right to be angry we would have violnece and war all over.

If you want to be better then the other you should behave better. If you don't want to be better behaving than your oponent, don't complain about the way he treats you.

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I said I wish more angry gays would speak out not become violent. Blacks had a right to be angry and they were, and under the peaceful leadership of MLK they took to the streets. That's what I'm talking about. Who said anything about violence and war with regard to gay rights? When any group of people is oppressed, their anger is justified, and that anger can be used constructively to further their cause--and unfortunately, in some cases, violence may occur in small percentage. I'm not saying Mike Signorile is a great example, but if you're gay and publicly support a campaign that has a blatant anti-gay agenda, you really need to be able to take the heat, especially from other gays. I know a gay man from another forum who was just killed in Miami a couple of weeks ago in a gay hate crime. Don't tell me gays don't have the right to be angry.
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