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Old 08-09-2006, 06:15 PM   #16
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You can't have a discussion about God with people who are more intent on debating whether others are saved, how they're saved, why they claim they're saved and so on. You just can't.
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Old 08-09-2006, 06:37 PM   #17
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I can't have a relationship with God since im just a human and know nothing about him. Everyone likes to
pretend like they know who god is but they are just serving there own interest. How can there be a God or
almighty king that is perfect if he does not make it obvious to us how to serve him even jesus only gave us
just a tiny bit of info.
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Old 08-09-2006, 07:50 PM   #18
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There was a God. Then he blowed up real good in one of them that thar big bang kind of ways and it resulted in the known universe we have, which is, basically God, in perhaps a different form...

...or

...The universe, and every particle in it, can be referred to as God. There are probably infinite ways of interpreting whether this universe has an underlying conscienceness and or causal purpose or just how involved (or not) this God is in our personal lives...

...or

...there may be a God who has a team of junior Gods who are experimenting in their God labs with such things as making and creating these things called universes, and we happen to be existing in one of them...maybe these Gods have noticed us, maybe not...

...or...

...well, you get the point.

Me, i'm perfectly happy with there being no God. But if there is one, great (i just don't feel it). In fact, i'd prefer if there wasn't one. It would feel much more special and unique to me if we were created randomly (if that were possible) than by someone who purposefully created us for his/her own bidding or purpose.
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Old 08-09-2006, 08:06 PM   #19
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I do believe that God if there is a god is misunderstood.
I think God really is more of a energy or maybe just a
way of saying what is good, I don't know im just trying to come up with stuff i guess.
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I have to agree with Irvine and deep and others here. Our relationships with other humans--how we show compassion and attention to them--is much more important to me than any relationship with a god of one sort or another. I think too many people get caught up in what they can do for "god" or what "god" can do for them instead of looking at the here and now. Plus, for a lot of people, god is cemented in with an organized religion, and that dogma-and-pony show has its own issues.
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i think it's possible that a good relationship with whatever one chooses to call "God" can help out one's relationships with his/her fellow human beings. however, the God relationship should work for the bettered human relationships, and not vice versa.
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Old 08-09-2006, 11:13 PM   #22
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I think here in lies the problem with "discussions" about God:



We claim opinions, yet we speak in self righteousness such as this:

There's nothing self-righteous about witnessing or giving a personal testimony.
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Old 08-09-2006, 11:24 PM   #23
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There's nothing self-righteous about witnessing or giving a personal testimony.
There's a difference between witnessing and judging if some are Christians or not, i.e. the "claimed" they were Christians. And statements like, "it isn't a matter of what people believe or don't believe. All that matters is what is the truth".
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I think my main idea is just to hear from others their opinions on God ... not so much religion, because religion isn't as important. Who do you guys think God is? Why? What has God done for you? Wouldn't everyone agree that God is the most important topic anyone could ever discuss?
No, I hardly see why we should waste time on an abstraction like the concept of God when there are some very real problems that demand answers, scientific debate yields truth and fact - theological debate reinforces metaphysical ignorance.
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Mighty God


If you want to be saved-

call this guy.
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See ... this is partly what I meant by being "mature" in this discussion. I said my parents "claimed" to be Christian, because I don't know if they truly are or not. And some people say that our relationships here and now are the most important thing, however they start in by tearing me and my comments up.
Im just telling you all what I have experienced in my life. And I'm not claiming to be a genius or anything, but it would make sense to me that the possibility of any sort of eternity would hold far more value than anything here and now.
And I really don't care what C.S. Lewis, Billy Graham, or Bono believes. All that matters is each person individually.
And it really is the opposite of what deep said. If you can first love God, then you will be able to love your family, your friends, your neighbors, any strangers, and even those who may hate you.
And I'm not talking about any form of "religion". I'm talking about knowing God personally. And why would I claim to know Him if I really didn't? What benefit would that be to myself?
God has made it obvious to the world who He really is. People just don't seek Him out.

And I never said anything about me not living my beliefs practically. I love many people ... and I don't want to assume, but I wouldn't doubt it if I loved more people than some of you. Not because I'm better or anything, but because God is love. How many could honestly say that they love their enemies? And it isn't that I love all of mine, but I at least try to love them.
I think the problem is that too many people make false assumptions about others, and they really don't know them. Some of you think you know who I am, but you have no idea.
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But, I think some of you are right when you say this topic is not going to work. So how about this ...

What do you all think happens when you die? Would you say this is an important question to consider?
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Brain function ceases, sentience no longer exists and the universe just goes on as it did before we were born, a spark between infinite stretches of darkness.
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Why do you think that is what happens? I just want to understand your approach ... I'm not being rude in any way.
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Because brain function is dependent on being alive, dependent on oxygen being delivered all over the body so that the cells stay alive, when we are deprived of oxygen to the brain we loose conciousness and may suffer permanent brain damage, there is no reason to believe that when our brains are permanently deprived of oxygen and all the tissue dies that anything remains, there is no shred of conciousness that can possibly survive, a mechanism to produce a concious being or sould that is beyond energy and matter would violate the known laws of physics, given what we know the materialist explanation is the best and it will only be refined as our understanding of neurology improves.
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