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Old 03-17-2003, 06:52 PM   #16
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Re: Re: Michael Moore's letter to Bush

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My thoughts....

He said:
"The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction."

I say:
The majority of Americans, roughly 75%, didn't vote for Governor Bush. You can argue whether or not the citizens who didn't vote should count in this statistic, but even if you exclude them from the tally Bush still lost the majority of the votes. That is a fact.

He said:
"As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein?"

I say:
Hoo-ray....it's about time someone finally pointed out how bad this proves Bushie to be. Saddam is hated by the entire world, that's a given. But, to have Bush get rejected by even MORE nations is bad PR. Isn't it strange that Fox News hasn't taken this angle when speaking of Bushie? Isn't strange that their network's slogan is "We report, you decide"? It should be, "We decide, we report".

He said:
"Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!"

I say:
Why isn't anyone addressing this subject on a national scale? For a country that experience this same concern during the Vietnam War, I'm startled to hear no mainstream media pose the question: Are Congressmen and Presidental children immune to fighting?

He said: (in reference to the French)
"And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once."

I say:
Nah, let's permenantly destroy our relationship with the French and talk about them behind their backs. Friends don't criticize friends! (Wait, you all know I'm being sarcastic, right?)
I agree with pretty much everything here. Bush did lose the popular vote. But I would much rather talk in terms of percentages of eligible voters that actually voted. To even include those that don't vote is ridiculous. I say, if you don't vote, you can't complain. So as I mentioned in my post, Gore beat Bush 48.38% to 47.87%.

But I do disagree with the statement about the French. Telling it straight with no b.s.???? I don't think so. I detailed the reasons for their "quest for peace" and it disturbs me just as much as Bush and Blair's reasons for using force.
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Old 03-17-2003, 08:45 PM   #17
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Re: Re: this is not an article klaus, it's a letter from MICHAEL MOORE

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Lilly - I don't mean to be rude, but what the hell are you trying to say here? Do you even know what you are trying to get across with this statement? As far as I can tell you think one of three things. That only 13% of eligible voters voted in 2000 for all candidates, or you think that only 6.5% of voters voted for all candidates, or you think that 6.5% voted for Bush. I'm really not sure.

Well, even if I somehow decifered what you were trying to say, it is WRONG.


if you aren't trying to be rude, then please choose your language more carefully.



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There are 280 million people in America, 204 million of those are eligible voters. 102.5 million people voted in 2000 for all candidates, 101.5 million voted for Bush and Gore combined.
102.5/280 = 0.3625.

there is a difference between americans and registered voters. people tend to forget that just because a majority of people between the ages of 18 and 99 voted for an elected candidate doesn't mean the american public gave a mandate for something.

point being: votes don't necessarily reflect what the public wants. moore's quote was: The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you . which - specifically speaking - is inaccurate for the aforementioned reasons.
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Re: Re: Re: this is not an article klaus, it's a letter from MICHAEL MOORE

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point being: votes don't necessarily reflect what the public wants. moore's quote was: The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you . which - specifically speaking - is inaccurate for the aforementioned reasons.
How is it inaccurate?

The majority of Americans did not elect him. If you are looking at Americans (ie. not just registered voters) - then it means you needed 140,000,001 people to vote for him, which they did not. Same could be said for Gore.
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Old 03-17-2003, 08:53 PM   #19
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nope, i didn't say it was inaccurate, just pointing out that it was not the majority of americans. just those that showed their vote.

just indicating there's a difference.
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nope, i didn't say it was inaccurate
OK, well I thought that's exactly what you said, but I get you.
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Had really long list of replys to this thread.. But, now, for some reason...just don't feel like going into it.
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The United States of America has an electoral college system for the election of the office of President. Love it or hate it, this system is the current law and it was the law during the Presidential election of November 2000. Prior to the election, when media polls were predicting a Gore/Lieberman electoral victory over a Bush/Cheney popular vote victory. When asked to comment on this, then-First Lady and current Democratic Senator from New York Hillary Rodham Clinton said that if that scenario were to happen, Gore/Lieberman would rightfully be the victors as the electoral system is outlined int he Constitution.

There is a great deal of distance betweeen "Many people believe the gov't was taken over by a political coup" and "he is a sitting President, but definitely not an elected one." The more opinionated of those two statements is erroneously formatted as some type of fact, while the other is an observation of the opinions of "many people."

George W. Bush won the election by the rules and standards of the electoral system.

George W. Bush won the election by the rules and standards of the electoral system.

George W. Bush won the election by the rules and standards of the electoral system.

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George W Bush will soon murder hundreds of thousands of people.

And anyone who re-elects him will be complicit in that bloodshed.

Ban/close that.

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George W Bush will soon murder hundreds of thousands of people.

And anyone who re-elects him will be complicit in that bloodshed.

Ban/close that.

What is your problem man? Take a break already! You are close to getting another thread closed!!!!!
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Yeah yeah yeah, listen 'man'...

In a few short hours thousands of people are going to die, mostly because millions of people like us sat here at our computer terminals typing up lovely posts instead of getting out there and actually trying to stop this madness.

Myself included.

I feel sick to my stomach.

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Actually can someone just be banned from one forum, like FYM?

If so, I think I'd like a banning from FYM (nowhere else mind you, the rest of Interference is pretty damn cool).

Its a big waste of my otherwise valuable time.

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if you want to take that up, do so with a mod. don't post it here.

or practice self control.
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