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Old 07-06-2007, 08:41 PM   #301
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Struck, you continue to do this: This is a discussion for Michael Moore. That's what this thread is for.

You continue to say things like "Why are we making a big deal out of this?" or "There are more important things." Well, this is the place for these discussions, which is why they occur.
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thats funny, b/c a few others who are posting here are also young members. so, just because i don't agree i get the 'age' thrown back at me, yet they do agree so they don't. well, that further solidifies my argument then.
But they aren't making naive and uninformed statements such as "anyone who works can get healthcare" or "it won't work due to population size" like you are. They aren't making ridiculous comparisons. And they are changing their reasoning with every post.
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Its not worth arguing. There are bigger issues than Michael Moore.
But not many are bigger than healthcare, which is a lot of what we're debating in here...
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But they aren't making naive and uninformed statements such as "anyone who works can get healthcare" or "it won't work due to population size" like you are. They aren't making ridiculous comparisons. And they are changing their reasoning with every post.
yes, maybe to you those are ridiculous statements. to others, those are very reasonable. 300 million people = phenomenal costs.
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Sorry if I find "anyone who works can get healthcare" as an unreasonable statement to anyone.
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Sorry if I find "anyone who works can get healthcare" as an unreasonable statement to anyone.
anyone who has a full-time job usually has access to healthcare in this country. end of discussion. if not, they need to seek their boss for they should.
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yes, maybe to you those are ridiculous statements. to others, those are very reasonable. 300 million people = phenomenal costs.
It has nothing to do with reasonable and unreasonable, those statements are simply not true. What part of that do you not get? It's evident that many hard working Americans can't get health ins, that's just a fact.

"300 million people = phenomenal costs." True, 300 million = phenomenal means of pay, and a lot of healthcare workers. You seem to be forgetting that.
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anyone who has a full-time job usually has access to healthcare in this country. end of discussion. if not, they need to seek their boss for they should.
This sums up your inexperience and naivety. That statement is false. It's false no matter how you slice it. Trust me I work in the healthcare industry. YOU ARE WRONG. And to think anyone can just talk to their boss and poof they have health ins, shows you haven't spent much time in the real world.

Yes, everyone should have healthcare, that part you are right, and that's what this movie is about...
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It has nothing to do with reasonable and unreasonable, those statements are simply not true. What part of that do you not get? It's evident that many hard working Americans can't get health ins, that's just a fact.

"300 million people = phenomenal costs." True, 300 million = phenomenal means of pay, and a lot of healthcare workers. You seem to be forgetting that.
obviously the part that you are saying. yes, money which our government currently does not have. even now our healthcare system that our government runs is in the toilet. how do you expect a bigger one to be run better?
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struckpx, do you live in, say, an upper middle class neighbourhood? Go to a fancy school or expensive private college? Paid for by the parentals?

Your posts just smack of that sort of existence, as much as they do about your age, quite frankly.
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obviously the part that you are saying. yes, money which our government currently does not have. even now our healthcare system that our government runs is in the toilet. how do you expect a bigger one to be run better?
I'm not sure where to start with this...

Well our government doesn't have money for a war either, but that's not stopping anyone.

If healthcare ever did change it would be a slow process, and money would go to the government to run healthcare. I'm not sure why you think we would just stop paying all together for healthcare.

What part of our healthcare is ran by the government and how and why is it in the toilet?
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struckpx, do you live in, say, an upper middle class neighbourhood? Go to a fancy school or expensive private college? Paid for by the parentals?

Your posts just smack of that sort of existence, as much as they do about your age, quite frankly.
I concur.

And by the way, I'm self-employed. I have health insurance. Am I supposed to complain to my boss? We enrolled years ago, and pay a fortune. You are just clueless, plain and simple. Get back to us in 5-10 years when you are out in the real world

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Snapshot of America's Uninsured

Moore starts the movie with the stories of two people who don't have health insurance. They're not alone:

— Nearly 47 million Americans, or 16 percent of the population, were without health insurance at some point in 2005.

— The number of uninsured rose 1.3 million between 2004 and 2005 and has increased by almost 7 million people since 2000.

— In 2005, nearly 15 percent of employees had no employer-sponsored health coverage available to them, either through their own job or through a family member.

— Young adults (18 to 24 years old) remained the least likely of any age group to have health insurance in 2005 – 30.6 percent of this group did not have health insurance.

— Nearly 40 percent of the uninsured population reside in households that earn $50,000 or more. A growing number of middle-income families cannot afford health insurance payments even when coverage is offered by their employers.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11291249




The unemployment rate, was 6 to 7% at the time of these numbers, so as you can see.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE NO, NOT EVERYONE CAN GET INSURED, EVEN IF THEY ARE WORKING...
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Today, I heard for the third time in the last 2 weeks someone say "I don't think everyone has the God given right to health insurance". WTF?!

And these were all apparently Christians, I just wonder what Bible they are reading...
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It does smack of the Good Samaritan story....supposedly pious people ignoring the less fortunate in their society.

Honestly to me, healthcare of some kind should be a basic human right, otherwise you are sitting by and watching many people die through no fault of their own....maybe that is just my bleedin socialist heart speakin

You would think us in Europe are crippled, stuck in a stone age because of social healthcare, but even with higher taxes, I doubt if you moved to anywhere in Europe you would feel any change in lifestyle, in comparison to any American city.
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