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Old 07-06-2007, 01:25 AM   #271
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Bullshit. I'm 16, and I don't feel like I've been degraded due to my age in this forum.
And I thank you for your ability to think. Like I said earlier, not everyone needs vast life experience to develop compassion, thank goodness, or even logic, for that matter.
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:31 AM   #272
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I'm sorry, but this is your problem, you are all over the place, you don't care that 99% of your points are wrong, you keep trying to justify your beliefs with something... The truth is, you never did.

You haven't. Not even close. Show one that hasn't been buried.

It's just not an issue you are very well versed in, don't take offense...
I would quote them, but it is not worth the argument.
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Bullshit. I'm 16, and I don't feel like I've been degraded due to my age in this forum.
yes, you are also a liberal who has supported everything they have said. of course you would get along.
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I would quote them, but it is not worth the argument.
No, please do. Maybe I missed something? From what I recall it was "universal health care sucks" and then "my government's inept to administer it."

You also alluded to some bad experience with Canadian health care, but despite my asking twice, wouldn't elaborate.
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No, please do. Maybe I missed something? From what I recall it was "universal health care sucks" and then "my government's inept to administer it."

You also alluded to some bad experience with Canadian health care, but despite my asking twice, wouldn't elaborate.
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I have many problems with Michael Moore. While I find his documentaries to be funny, he gets too personal. Here is a man who has made butt loads of money from his various documentaries, yet do you see him helping the needy w/ it? He is a hypocrite.

In the movie, he totally promotes the Canadian health care system, yet anyone who knows it would tell you that it has huge faults. Yes they have cheap drugs, but you have to wait months due to the shortage of doctors. Imagine waiting 4 weeks for heart bypass or 8 weeks for an MRI. This socialized health care that they have is destroying the quality of it. The only good thing is being an American there, b/c they help you extremely fast.

In general, I have noticed (not specifically here) that people who are for the movie and this idea of universal health care go along with the idea just because they do not back the current US government. Please, really consider all of the dimensions, other than doing it just because you don't like Bush. If this were to occur everyone, rich and poor, would pay greatly in the amount of their paychecks. I love it when Bono says, "Thanks for spending your hard earned on a U2 show." Just think w/ the higher taxes that would be set forth from this health care, that we would have less to spend on the rock shows.

At the same time, we need to ask why health care costs is so high? Let me spell a little out for you. It begins w/ the doctors: if they didn't have to worry about patients suing them w/ huge lawsuits all the time, their insurance would go down, then our insurance could go down, etc. etc.

While our system has it faults, do you guys honestly think socializing health care would be better? There are so many alternate ideas that would be much more effective. It would be a lot higher taxes for all of us and the quality and competitiveness of it would decrease greatly. Look at Europe, you do not hear that much happening there regarding medical innovation. We need to keep a free market so new ideas and competitiveness can continue to flourish.

Michael Moore should not criticize health when he is fat as hell.
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Most importantly Moore doesn't even mention the reality side of his "so called" health care phenomenon of ideas. In reality, health care involves about a sixth of our national economy, hundreds of government programs, thousands of private insurance plans and hundreds of thousands of health care workers. In his movie he doesn't mention this, he just gives these main ideas: Americans are exploited, insurance companies are bad, politicians are ineffective.

Great ideas Mr. Moore
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here's a question for you, who i am getting the feeling supports government run health care idea:

think about other government agencies, such as the post office and how long you had to wait in line there, or maybe at the DOL waiting for a new drivers license, or the time it took after Katrina. Is this the type of health coverage you want? This is what will happen w/ universal health care? There will be more suffering, deaths, and of course, higher costs.

Throughout the movie he talks about HMOs. Well, the use of those have decreased drastically b/c they were rejected by employers and patients, and proves that the free market system works, thanks to congressional lobbying.

Regarding your question, this could help:
- require the costs of all healthcare services to be published publicly, so there is competition for insurance.
- increase financial grants and incentives.

those are the big ones that i can think of.
Tell me where in there I do not present any arguments and where I say "universal health care sucks." Please read the whole thing before commenting, thank you.
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regarding canada, my friend got into a terrible, really bad snowboarding accident at whistler there. it required surgery, and the service was not what we would expect. i am surprised that he even allowed them to operate on him, I wouldn't, but they went ahead and did. however, we were not pleased with the overall service.
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And so that one example provides the rule?
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And so that one example provides the rule?
Where do I say it does? I read that in different articles and reports.
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oh so because the man is fat he can't comment on the health system? Get real. You obviously can't see past your hatred for him, so obviously nothing is getting through - too bad for you!

Also your comparison of higher taxes= less concerts or somesuch, is ludicrious. Your government is there to help, as much as it fucks you around. I personally would not like to live in a country where people would rather see me die then pay for an operation to help me. THAT is the bottom line. Can't you see that?
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i am surprised that he even allowed them to operate on him, I wouldn't,
No problem, we can toss you out on the street next time. You're probably more familiar with that system of medicine anyway.
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regarding canada, my friend got into a terrible, really bad snowboarding accident at whistler there. it required surgery, and the service was not what we would expect. i am surprised that he even allowed them to operate on him, I wouldn't, but they went ahead and did. however, we were not pleased with the overall service.
This really sounds like you wanted to refuse treatment because your waitress brought you luke-warm soup and didn't refill your water. Elaborate on what was frustrating?
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oh so because the man is fat he can't comment on the health system? Get real. You obviously can't see past your hatred for him, so obviously nothing is getting through - too bad for you!

thank you for reading my comments. appreciate the comment on one line of 50.
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No problem, we can toss you out on the street next time. You're probably more familiar with that system of medicine anyway.
Great response.
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yes, you are also a liberal who has supported everything they have said. of course you would get along.
I have explicitly stated to you in the commute thread that I'm not a liberal. It's clear to me now that you don't read people's posts.
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Tell me where in there I do not present any arguments and where I say "universal health care sucks." Please read the whole thing before commenting, thank you.
I did read the entire thing, when you first posted, and just now. Wow. People have addressed almost all of your comments, either directly or indirectly. There are also a few that don't even merit a response.

You obviously do not use the exact words "universal health care sucks," but that's the essence of what you're saying.

And, like you're accusing others of, you've conveniently avoided many well thought out points that are counter to your position, as well.

Again, you were asked to elabourate on the Whistler health care "bad service" experience.

Props to whoever said that it reminded them of a restaurant order gone wrong, that's the first thing I thought of when reading it, too.


[personalsilliness] phillyfan26, I want to marry your avatar and have 1,000 of its babies. [/personalsilliness]
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