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Old 07-04-2007, 04:26 PM   #211
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i backed my idea up w/ governmental agencies, all which have flopped. you haven't mentioned those.
And it's your theory that these "failures" were due to the size of population?
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And it's your theory that these "failures" were due to the size of population?
mismanagement, which is what i have been stating all along.
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mismanagement, which is what i have been stating all along.
No, your original argument was:

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i am not saying the healthcare system there is bad, but canada also has a lot less people than the US.
You were basing it on size.

Your correlations to the post office and Amtrack aren't quite fair. Technology changed those things, making them obsolete in many cases. Technology changed the medical field, but won't ever make it obsolete.
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No, your original argument was:



You were basing it on size.

Your correlations to the post office and Amtrack aren't quite fair. Technology changed those things, making them obsolete in many cases. Technology changed the medical field, but won't ever make it obsolete.
universalizing health care will make many private companies go out of business b/c the prices of medicine will go down. the competitiveness for new drugs will dive and ultimately we will suffer.

we are just going to debate this on and on. i have stated my voice, you don't agree. universal health care won't happen anytime soon here. the democrats can lobby all they want, but the companies run this country, and it would be political suicide for them to do that. so, really think about what the potential candidates say regarding health care. if they say, "i am going to change the whole system," not likely.

that's like saying that israel is going to pull out of the west bank in 4 years. even if they said that they were going to pull out, it would take years for them to move and deconstruct all of the settlements and infrastructure already in place.
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but the companies run this country
Do you consider that to be a good thing?
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Do you consider that to be a good thing?
no, i am just saying.
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universalizing health care will make many private companies go out of business b/c the prices of medicine will go down. the competitiveness for new drugs will dive and ultimately we will suffer.
Now, this is closer to a real argument. But tell me something, how much of pharma is making us suffer now? And why does it not effect countries that do have social medicine?

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we are just going to debate this on and on. i have stated my voice, you don't agree. universal health care won't happen anytime soon here. the democrats can lobby all they want, but the companies run this country, and it would be political suicide for them to do that. so, really think about what the potential candidates say regarding health care. if they say, "i am going to change the whole system," not likely.
It's just that you weren't able to back up anything. You kept changing your reasonings. First it was the size of the country, then mismangement, then it was private business, etc... I don't think you really know why you are against social medicine.

How many are running on a platform that they are going to "change the whole system"?
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i am against social medicine b/c i don't want a large percentage of my "hard-earned" going towards health care. I would much rather have my future employer pay for it.
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Now, this is closer to a real argument. But tell me something, how much of pharma is making us suffer now? And why does it not effect countries that do have social medicine?

proof?

from my personal readings, I don't read about breaking technology and cures coming from Europe that much. Mainly it is from here and Asia. Although, maybe I am out of the loop.
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Although, maybe I am out of the loop.
You are.

I already posted about this on this thread.

The 2nd most sold pharmaceutical drug in the world was developed by the French in France. And it's not the only one, either.
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i am against social medicine b/c i don't want a large percentage of my "hard-earned" going towards health care. I would much rather have my future employer pay for it.
I thought it was because it wouldn't work?

Do you even know how socialized medicine works?
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You are.

I already posted about this on this thread.

The 2nd most sold pharmaceutical drug in the world was developed by the French in France. And it's not the only one, either.
Well, on a larger scale. One drug is not much. The US has innovations happening all over the place. Why? Because there are corporations that are willing to fund it. They can make money off of it. How does this help us? Well, ultimately, we can live longer.
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I thought it was because it wouldn't work?

Do you even know how socialized medicine works?
do you?
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proof?

from my personal readings, I don't read about breaking technology and cures coming from Europe that much. Mainly it is from here and Asia. Although, maybe I am out of the loop.
Uninformed...
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Uninformed...
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