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Struck, you continue to do this: This is a discussion for Michael Moore. That's what this thread is for.

You continue to say things like "Why are we making a big deal out of this?" or "There are more important things." Well, this is the place for these discussions, which is why they occur.
 
struckpx said:
thats funny, b/c a few others who are posting here are also young members. so, just because i don't agree i get the 'age' thrown back at me, yet they do agree so they don't. well, that further solidifies my argument then.

But they aren't making naive and uninformed statements such as "anyone who works can get healthcare" or "it won't work due to population size" like you are. They aren't making ridiculous comparisons. And they are changing their reasoning with every post.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


But they aren't making naive and uninformed statements such as "anyone who works can get healthcare" or "it won't work due to population size" like you are. They aren't making ridiculous comparisons. And they are changing their reasoning with every post.

yes, maybe to you those are ridiculous statements. to others, those are very reasonable. 300 million people = phenomenal costs.
 
Sorry if I find "anyone who works can get healthcare" as an unreasonable statement to anyone.
 
phillyfan26 said:
Sorry if I find "anyone who works can get healthcare" as an unreasonable statement to anyone.

anyone who has a full-time job usually has access to healthcare in this country. end of discussion. if not, they need to seek their boss for they should.
 
struckpx said:


yes, maybe to you those are ridiculous statements. to others, those are very reasonable. 300 million people = phenomenal costs.

It has nothing to do with reasonable and unreasonable, those statements are simply not true. What part of that do you not get? It's evident that many hard working Americans can't get health ins, that's just a fact.

"300 million people = phenomenal costs." True, 300 million = phenomenal means of pay, and a lot of healthcare workers. You seem to be forgetting that.
 
struckpx said:


anyone who has a full-time job usually has access to healthcare in this country. end of discussion. if not, they need to seek their boss for they should.

This sums up your inexperience and naivety. That statement is false. It's false no matter how you slice it. Trust me I work in the healthcare industry. YOU ARE WRONG. And to think anyone can just talk to their boss and poof they have health ins, shows you haven't spent much time in the real world.

Yes, everyone should have healthcare, that part you are right, and that's what this movie is about...
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


It has nothing to do with reasonable and unreasonable, those statements are simply not true. What part of that do you not get? It's evident that many hard working Americans can't get health ins, that's just a fact.

"300 million people = phenomenal costs." True, 300 million = phenomenal means of pay, and a lot of healthcare workers. You seem to be forgetting that.

obviously the part that you are saying. yes, money which our government currently does not have. even now our healthcare system that our government runs is in the toilet. how do you expect a bigger one to be run better?
 
struckpx, do you live in, say, an upper middle class neighbourhood? Go to a fancy school or expensive private college? Paid for by the parentals?

Your posts just smack of that sort of existence, as much as they do about your age, quite frankly.
 
struckpx said:


obviously the part that you are saying. yes, money which our government currently does not have. even now our healthcare system that our government runs is in the toilet. how do you expect a bigger one to be run better?

I'm not sure where to start with this...

Well our government doesn't have money for a war either, but that's not stopping anyone.

If healthcare ever did change it would be a slow process, and money would go to the government to run healthcare. I'm not sure why you think we would just stop paying all together for healthcare.

What part of our healthcare is ran by the government and how and why is it in the toilet?
 
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anitram said:
struckpx, do you live in, say, an upper middle class neighbourhood? Go to a fancy school or expensive private college? Paid for by the parentals?

Your posts just smack of that sort of existence, as much as they do about your age, quite frankly.

I concur.

And by the way, I'm self-employed. I have health insurance. Am I supposed to complain to my boss? :scratch: We enrolled years ago, and pay a fortune. You are just clueless, plain and simple. Get back to us in 5-10 years when you are out in the real world

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Snapshot of America's Uninsured

Moore starts the movie with the stories of two people who don't have health insurance. They're not alone:

— Nearly 47 million Americans, or 16 percent of the population, were without health insurance at some point in 2005.

— The number of uninsured rose 1.3 million between 2004 and 2005 and has increased by almost 7 million people since 2000.

— In 2005, nearly 15 percent of employees had no employer-sponsored health coverage available to them, either through their own job or through a family member.

— Young adults (18 to 24 years old) remained the least likely of any age group to have health insurance in 2005 – 30.6 percent of this group did not have health insurance.

— Nearly 40 percent of the uninsured population reside in households that earn $50,000 or more. A growing number of middle-income families cannot afford health insurance payments even when coverage is offered by their employers.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11291249




The unemployment rate, was 6 to 7% at the time of these numbers, so as you can see.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE NO, NOT EVERYONE CAN GET INSURED, EVEN IF THEY ARE WORKING...
 
Today, I heard for the third time in the last 2 weeks someone say "I don't think everyone has the God given right to health insurance". WTF?!

And these were all apparently Christians, I just wonder what Bible they are reading...
 
It does smack of the Good Samaritan story....supposedly pious people ignoring the less fortunate in their society.

Honestly to me, healthcare of some kind should be a basic human right, otherwise you are sitting by and watching many people die through no fault of their own....maybe that is just my bleedin socialist heart speakin:|

You would think us in Europe are crippled, stuck in a stone age because of social healthcare, but even with higher taxes, I doubt if you moved to anywhere in Europe you would feel any change in lifestyle, in comparison to any American city.
 
I saw it yesterday. It's brilliant. He takes sick Americans to Cuba to get treatment for their illnesses, and they get it. He goes to France and Britain to check out their free health systems. They get free health care in those places. He wonders why we're not supposed to like the French. They have high taxes, but they do OK. There's not a chance in hell of us getting it with the current crowd in Washington, but maybe the next. We need another Revolution!
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Today, I heard for the third time in the last 2 weeks someone say "I don't think everyone has the God given right to health insurance". WTF?!

And these were all apparently Christians, I just wonder what Bible they are reading...

and this is the REAL issue! In a country where everyone is supposed to be free and EQUAL, it is one of the LESS equal places in the world. How can someone say that this person deserves health care but NOT that person. How can someone's LIFE have a monitary value on it. PEople are really easy to point out flaws of other countries and religions, but are blind to see inwards.
 
just saw it with Memphis, and it's totally absorbing, though i was irritated by the rosey picture of other nation's health care system. when i lived in Belgium, i had a great experience. had a nasty strep throat once, went to the doctor, got a perscription, walked down the road, paid $20ish, then got to send in a rebate for the $20, and got a note saying that i should be out of work for the next 3 days. totally great. no waits at all.

but i've heard the horror stories from british friends about the NHS. and there's more, but no need to go into that here.

it's a very good film. and there's less of Moore-being-Moore, which is a good thing because he's such a polarizing figure now that he can only detract from his message.

i think what i took away from the film -- and i am a freelancer, so i have to purchaes my own insurance, and being a healthy young person, is just under $150 a month -- is that i need to damn well take good care of myself, eat right, exercise, live well, manage stress, deal with issues before they become problems, and do whatever i can in order to lessen my chances of developing serious medical issues later in life.

but i'm lucky. no cancer. no chronic diseases. i'm fit as a fiddle.

and i wonder, if it wasn't probably illegal to ask, i wonder if it could be determiend that it would be in a company's best interests to ask whether or not i'm gay and then deny me insurance based upon being more statistically at risk for HIV (despite the fact that i was always far more paranoid about safe sex than my straight counterparts).

i don't know what the answer is, but i do think there are things i can do, as an individual, to make things better at least for myself.

and, soon, i'll probably get to be on Memphis's spectacular employee healthcare. so, yay to that.
 
I read this on Pop Candy this morning-that's impressive for a movie about health care. If only it could have an equivalent impact. Maybe there's still hope. I guess Moore's still got it, I wonder what his next project will be.

"SiCKO," Michael Moore's highly acclaimed and entertaining expose of the American health care system, has just become the third highest grossing documentary of all time grossing $24.2 million domestically since it debuted in theaters on June 29th. "SiCKO," one of the most talked about films of the year, moved into third place taking the spot of previous record holder "An Inconvenient Truth" and behind Moore's previous film "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "March of the Penguins." The announcement was made today by Bob and Harvey Weinstein, co-chairmen of The Weinstein Company.
 
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