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Old 02-06-2004, 09:58 PM   #76
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I think we are born confused and the rest is experimentation.
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Old 02-06-2004, 11:23 PM   #77
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Can we agree that homosexuality is NOT a choice?
To ACT on your sexual urges, whatever they may be, is ALWAYS a choice.
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Old 02-06-2004, 11:32 PM   #78
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To ACT on your sexual urges, whatever they may be, is ALWAYS a choice.
But it's not sex we're talking about. It's marriage.

Gay people are free to have sex all they want and there's nothing you can do about it. We're talking about love, not sex. And that's the irony: homosexuals can have sex, but it's somehow abhorrent for them to love.

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To ACT on your sexual urges, whatever they may be, is ALWAYS a choice.
OK....and the state has the right to say this particular urge is wrong why?
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I'm taking back this statement.

Even if others feel that they can make blanket statements about people, I cannot. I often do it out of "comeuppance," rather than sincerity. Jesus taught His followers to reject "an eye for an eye," and, instead, "to turn the other cheek."

And now I must take a breather, and start living up to this statement. I know that what I feel is right. I've grappled with the issues of morality, God, and conscience for years now, and I have built what I believe on a cornerstone that is certainly no better or worse than anyone else's beliefs. For those who make blanket statements against homosexuals or same-sex marriage, I pray that, before you start pointing fingers at your fellow man, that you first look at the shortcomings within yourself. No one is perfect, and if there is one basic feeling that unites us all, it is love.

Not everyone sees this, but I believe that, in time, the Holy Spirit shall reveal it to those whose hearts are not hardened by tradition; by fear of change. Change, after all, is the only constant. And change, because it was created by God, is good.

And that's all I really have to say to this thread. Argue amongst yourselves.

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Old 02-06-2004, 11:43 PM   #81
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But it's not sex we're talking about. It's marriage.

Gay people are free to have sex all they want and there's nothing you can do about it. We're talking about love, not sex. And that's the irony: homosexuals can have sex, but it's somehow abhorrent for them to love.

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And that is the truth in all of this.....

behind closed doors...we all can do what we want.....We can have one partner...we can have multiple partners, lovers, threesomes, foursome, moresomes.....We can be straight, we can be gay...sexual BEHAVIOR is not exclusive to one group or another.

The state has NOTHING to say about it. A marriage license is NOT going to stop any of that. However, when and if two people who have shared a lifetime together part ways through dying, or are lying in a hospital....they deserve the rights that my wife and I have.

The freaking marriage license is NOT going to stop what any church or group perceicves as sin.
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I may be getting waaaayy of topic here. But doesnt the state have something to say about sexual activity? eg straight sex is okay from 16 onwards but gay sex is only okay after 18 or 21 or not at all, depending where you live?

Feel free to ignore if I have meandered off the path. (again)
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OK....and the state has the right to say this particular urge is wrong why?
I'm not saying the urge per se is 'wrong' - we don't have control over the origination of most of our feelings - what we do *in response* to those feelings though, is our responsibility to control. Most recovering addicts don't ever completely lose those cravings for alcohol or another hit, but as long as they don't act on it, they stay out of trouble.

Most of you think I don't have a valid argument if I try to bring God into the discussion. I don't have a way to remove Him from my thinking and discernment. He told us that we would be tempted (ie, have urges), and for those urges that would lead to sin if acted upon, He will give us the strength to resist if we ask. I know Melon probably has his own arguments for this, but there are enough references in the Bible that God hates the ACTS of homosexuality. He can't condemn anyone for being tempted, because He didn't put that temptation there. It is up to you as to how you will respond to it. THAT is where I am coming from, and if you can see no validity to my point of view, then it is your prerogative to tune me out.

*edit for beli:
To my knowledge, gay sex has only recently become legal, in Texas. Still illegal in most other states, but if challenged, with this new precedent, the law would be struck down.
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I know Melon probably has his own arguments for this, but there are enough references in the Bible that God hates the ACTS of homosexuality.
Im not into the bible at all but I would be highly suprised if any God HATED anything. Kinda defeats the purpose of having a caring sharing smarter power.

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To my knowledge, gay sex has only recently become legal, in Texas. Still illegal in most other states, but if challenged, with this new precedent, the law would be struck down. [/B]
Sorry, why would the law be struck down? Im not up on US law at all.
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I am not saying you cannot bring God into it. I think I have more than defended people who come from different religious backgrounds in here for you to agree with that.

My point is, religion is religion, a marriage license is NOT going to prevent the act that the BIBLE has said is sin from happeneing. A Marriage License will give two people who love each other equal rights and protection under the law in MA that a married straight couple has. The Civil Union does not.
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.....the BIBLE has said is sin....
Shows what I know about the bible ie diddly squat. I will depart from this argument. Take care.
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Ok, I'm wrong, it was the U.S. Supreme Court, not the Texas State Supreme Court, that said the law was unconstitutional. So I guess it is legal everywhere, I assume over age 18.
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Old 02-07-2004, 12:17 AM   #88
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How the heck are the "similar threads" similar?
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Do the American people even have a real voice in this marriage issue, ie, do we ever get to vote on it? Or is this something that will be decided by the higher ups?
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bonosloveslave:

To your credit, I think it was a U.S. Supreme Court decision regarding a Texas sodomy law.

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