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Old 05-18-2004, 06:38 PM   #571
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Published on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 by the Los Angeles Times

Scandal's Shame, Massachusetts' Pride
by Robert Scheer

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0518-10.htm

What a wonderful image of democracy and tolerance the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts has presented to the world by allowing same-sex marriages. At a time when elements of the U.S. military machine have perverted homosexual acts into a form of torture, the sight of responsible and joyful gay adults freely choosing the commitment of marriage could not be more timely.
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In the end, the irony is grim: The U.S. military bans openly gay soldiers but apparently does not effectively screen out heterosexual sadists. Meanwhile, at home the president tries desperately to make an election-year issue out of preventing free adults from civilly consecrating same-sex partnerships.

Unfortunately, there are many in this country, at least in the political class, who claim to support the rights of the individual abroad while struggling to limit them at home. Yet, as with classic images from earlier civil rights movements, such as that of a poised black girl walking to school through a jeering crowd, the dramatic scenes of joy and love now unfolding in Massachusetts are likely to be looked back upon by future generations with a "what took us so long?" relief.
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In the end, the irony is grim: The U.S. military bans openly gay soldiers but apparently does not effectively screen out heterosexual sadists.
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Unfortunately, there are many in this country, at least in the political class, who claim to support the rights of the individual abroad while struggling to limit them at home.
Do you realize how depressing it is to know that both those statements are true?

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Yet, as with classic images from earlier civil rights movements, such as that of a poised black girl walking to school through a jeering crowd, the dramatic scenes of joy and love now unfolding in Massachusetts are likely to be looked back upon by future generations with a "what took us so long?" relief.
. Amen to that.

I was reading an article in the People magazine tonight talking about the end of segregation. And I just don't understand. People look back at segregation now with a kind of attitude. Why in the hell, then, is there even a debate over homosexual rights now? Why are some of the same people who would denounce racism willing to discriminate against homosexuals? I don't get it. I really, really don't.

Bah. Anyway, again, applause going to Massachusetts for being so bold to allow gay marriage to happen. It's about time.

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Old 05-19-2004, 07:21 PM   #573
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It's just us in here now, isn't it? The antis and the fence-sitters have gone away, haven't they?
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Yes. But then I guessw they ran out of arguements against the basic civil rights of hte issue.

Joy for those in Mass.
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It will be interesting in 50 years, whether the children of those people so opposed to gay marriage and equality will look back and wonder who were the people who tried to suppress it, like people wonder today what sort of mentality wanted to preserve segregation.
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I visited Little Rock and Memphis last summer, and I saw the pictures of those white parents and students with the hate and venom in their faces. I wanted to ask the park ranger in Little Rock if anybody knew where those people were now, if those people ever make themselves known. I didn't ask. I imagine that the same thing will indeed happen in fifty years. At the museum dedicated to this civil rights struggle there will be pictures of straight people filled with hate and venom, or worse with the Scripture quoted in posters, and my grand-nieces will want to know if those people ever make themselves known as the ones who hated in the name of God and what they thought was right.
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Anti's and Fence sitters...LOL

The war is not over Martha. This is a battle that was won. The chaos will begin if the MA Constitution is ammended to ban it.

Dang so if we do not post in the thread we are an anti or a fence sitter.....Melon you better post soon.

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Dang so if we do not post in the thread we are an anti or a fence sitter
Where do you get that from the observation that none of the "antis and fence-sitters" have posted here recently?
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And I don't see how comments like who's not posting in here anymore, etc are productive. It's already starting problems I'm not trying to tell anyone else what to post, that's just my useless 02. I've mostly just read this thread and been afraid to post...

I have my opinion on this issue, but I respect and try to understand the opinions of others, as long as they're not stated in a malicious or hateful way toward gay people or coming from that viewpoint. Obviously I understand how, if you're homosexual, it is a far more important and personal issue.

This issue does divide some people, but bottom line it should be about love

*steps off pollyanna soapbox *
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And I don't see how comments like who's not posting in here anymore, etc are productive. It's already starting problems I'm not trying to tell anyone else what to post, that's just my useless 02. I've mostly just read this thread and been afraid to post...
You made my point better than I could.
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I still think the way I used to except I no longer see any point in posting it. So, I don't see how ''the battle was won" (?)
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And so we see why I avoid FYM at all costs now.





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Um, hi.

I did not make that post.

MrsSpringsteen, I hope you were not offended.
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