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Old 03-05-2004, 01:43 PM   #406
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She means sexual love aka romantic love. Love in which sexuality plays a part. Or at least that's my impression.
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Discriminating against homosexuals is a sin. Hating anyone for any reason is a sin. Anyone who justifies hating gays is gonna have a nasty surprise when they meet God.

Discriminating against someone else for being a sinner is pure stupidity otherwise you'd have to discriminate against yourself. Hello! how many times to I need to say that I don't hate gays and that hating gays is a sin and is unacceptable.
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^ You agree then that discrimination against homosexuals is a sin, yet you do it! You deny them the right to marry in a secular society.
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^ Actually, I have not made any such statement.

Please be more careful before making such claims.
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Old 03-05-2004, 02:01 PM   #410
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Nbc,

Are you saying it's okay to discriminate against gay people? Or that gay people should be permitted to marry?

I wasn't sure which part of martha's post you were objecting to: the suggestion that you oppose discriminating against gay people or the suggestion that you oppose allowing gay people to marry.
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Old 03-05-2004, 02:15 PM   #411
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Goodness, it is NOT okay to hate anyone. My objection was regarding the accusation of discrimination. I have never objected to gay marriage in secular society.
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So you think gay people should be allowed to marry?

I thought I'd heard you say you oppose gay marriage, but I must be mistaken.
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Old 03-05-2004, 02:21 PM   #413
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And I have also said that gay people deserve the right to secular marriage. More than once in this thread and a couple times in previous threads on this subject. Please pay attention to what people say. Martha you just assumed that you knew what I believe based on your prejudices and presuppositions. Many Christians oppose secular marriage, my dad is one of them. I am not. Try not to make blanket judgements in the future.
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^ Actually, I have not made any such statement.

Please be more careful before making such claims.
I think I hold the opposite position from you on this, and I am getting pissed at the twisting of your words and the assault on your character.

Dear God people play nice.
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Old 03-05-2004, 04:14 PM   #415
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I agree. This is a very difficult subject and I've been very impressed up until now with how passionate-yet-civil this discussion has been.

If you need clarification on someone's views, ask nicely. Try not to accuse people of things before you get that clarification.

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I'm waiting for my clarification.
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Old 03-05-2004, 04:26 PM   #417
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I think what nbcrusader may be saying is that he is not opposed to some form of secular marriage or union for gay people, but he is opposed to religious union (at least in his faith tradition).

Is this right, nb?
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Yes, thank you pax. Secular marriage seemed to be the focus of the discussion.
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I guess we've been discussing both on and off, so...

Okay, clarification obtained.

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^ Actually, I have not made any such statement.

Please be more careful before making such claims.
You're right. I looked back, and there's nothing there. My inference was based on all your posts discussing homosexuality and sin, but you've said nothing about being against gay marriage at all.



I had no idea you supported the rights of homosexuals to fully participate in full legal and equal marriage, same as you and I.


I'm pleasantly surprised.
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