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Old 12-10-2002, 08:16 PM   #1
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North Korea exports missles.

Interesting catch today on the high seas. One of the members of the "Axis of Evil" was caught shipping bad things on the high seas. One dozen scud missles and parts were found on a North Korean vessel headed to Yemen.

Yemen is one of our "allys" yet they seem to be a haven for Al-Qaeda. I wonder who the scud missles were for........Our governement has issued a statement saying that they do not believe they were headed into Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Dec10.html

North Korea has had a history of this type of sale. Last August they sold some scuds to Yemen and later in the year fuel for the scuds was shipped to Yemen.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021202-71029594.htm

The situation in the Middle East seems to get scarier by the day. I wonder if Sting might have some insight into why Yemen would be purchasing these materials if they are our "ally"? Why would they continue to do business with a governement that the US has deemed an exporter of terror?


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I'm sure the UN will be on top of this one......
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Yemen wants the ballistic missiles because they are becoming much more common through out the region. North Korea is a very willing seller. Supply and Demand is the relationship here. Its important to realize that these are ballistic missiles and not Chem/Bio/Nuclear weapons. The question is was this a shipment that came late for Yemen after the USA told Yemen to stop its deals with North Korea, or is Yemen trying to smuggle to get these missiles without the USA knowing, is there Al Quada elements within the Yemens government or the country that somehow arranged the transfer, or is there another country where the missiles were to be shipped to after first going into Yemen?

Don't really have the answers to these questions, just speculation. It seems unlikely to me that Yemen would be that desperate to get 12 Scud missiles from North Korea that they would attempt to smuggle them behind the USA's back. There are other countries that are not under an embargo that they could get Scuds from.
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This is really getting to an ugly stage isn't it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/arti...865094,00.html

Rumsfeld gets tough on North Korea

John Gittings in Hong Kong and Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Tuesday December 24, 2002
The Guardian

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, yesterday warned North Korea that America could fight and win two regional conflicts. He advised Pyongyang not to become "emboldened" by the US administration's immediate focus on Iraq.
"We are capable of fighting two major regional conflicts. We're capable of winning decisively in one and swiftly defeating in the case of the other, and let there be no doubt about it," Mr Rumsfeld said.

His comments came amid desperate diplomatic efforts to head off the growing Korean crisis.

The UN has confirmed that North Korea has carried out its threat to remove UN seals and dismantle monitoring cameras at a laboratory used to produce weapons-grade plutonium.

A spokesman for the International Atomic Energy Agency said: "There is not any legitimate purpose for the facility other than separating plutonium from spent fuel."

Senator Joseph Biden, the outgoing chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, warned that North Korea's plan to restart a programme for plutonium extraction could allow it to produce bombs "within months".

Mr Biden said the crisis was "a greater danger immediately to US interests _ than Saddam Hussein".

While the rhetoric sharpened, Mr Rumsfeld insisted that Washington would pursue a diplomatic strategy against North Korea for the moment, as that crisis was still at a relatively early stage.

Pyongyang has issued a series of threats, including one to "destroy the earth" if the US resorted to nuclear war against it. South Korea's president, Kim Dae-jung, and the president-elect, Roh Moo-hyun, sought to calm the mood by saying they wanted a peaceful resolution.

While Russia expressed concern at the North's weekend announcement, the deputy foreign minister warned the US not to aggravate the crisis.

But the US state department yesterday rejected Pyongyang's insistence that the crisis can be solved if the US signs a treaty of non-aggression. "We will not bargain or offer inducements for North Korea to live up to the treaties and agreements it has signed," a spokesman said.

US intelligence sources were quoted by the BBC as saying they believe "North Korea may already have a small number of nuclear bombs and the material to make a few more".

The North Korean media has given Bush administration hardliners all the material they may want.

The communist party's newspaper, the Workers' Daily, declared that "the army and people of the DPRK are fully ready to mercilessly strike the bulwark of US imperialist aggressors" - implying that they could hit targets in the US
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Rumsfeld says U.S. can win war in two theaters
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said yesterday that the United States has the military might to counter the threat of two "axis of evil" states North Korea and Iraq simultaneously. Top Stories
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His assurances that U.S. armed forces are not stretched too thin came as Pyongyang announced an aggressive move toward building nuclear weapons.
"I have no reason to believe that North Korea feels emboldened because of the world's interest in Iraq," Mr. Rumsfeld said. "If they do, it would be a mistake. We are perfectly capable of doing that which is necessary."
North Korea said yesterday that it is removing monitoring equipment set up by international inspectors to safeguard weapons-grade plutonium at its Yongbyon nuclear reactor.
The announcement sets up the possibility that, while fighting a war in Iraq this winter, the United States also might have to divert valuable military assets to thwart North Korea's nuclear ambitions. One U.S. military option, though not actively being considered, is to bomb North Korea's nuclear facilities to prevent Pyongyang from quickly assembling two to three atomic weapons.
President Bush has threatened Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein with military strikes if he does not disarm. Mr. Rumsfeld, at a Pentagon press conference yesterday where he discussed the twin problems of North Korea and Iraq, said a buildup of American forces in the Persian Gulf continues even as a second crisis is forming in North Korea.
There are about 60,000 U.S. troops near Iraq, with 50,000 more slated to be deployed in January. Mr. Rumsfeld said he is alerting Reserve units that might be called up to round out active combat forces, such as heavy Army armored divisions, in the event of war with Iraq.
Baghdad yesterday shot down an unmanned Predator spy plane over southern Iraq. An Iraqi fighter jet apparently violated an allied no-fly zone in the south to fire at the drone before retreating north.
Allied aircraft typically retaliate against Iraqi ground fire by dropping precision-guided bombs on anti-aircraft batteries and command posts.
U.S. Central Command, which runs military operations in the Persian Gulf, said the Predator went down at 7:30 a.m. EST.
"They got a lucky shot today, and they brought down the Predator," Gen. Richard B. Myers, Joint Chiefs chairman, said at the Pentagon press conference.
But Mr. Rumsfeld quickly said, "It is not a fact. We do not know for sure that it was shot down."
It was the third Predator drone shot down over southern Iraq. Iraq repeatedly has tried to knock down manned allied jets enforcing the northern and southern exclusion zones, which severely restrict the activities of Iraq's military.
North Korea has picked this time to make provocative statements about a nuclear-arms program it was supposed to freeze under a 1994 agreement with President Clinton.
Confronted with evidence to the contrary by the Bush administration, North Korea admitted during the summer that it has systematically violated the accord by acquiring bomb-making components. Mr. Bush has labeled North Korea, Iraq and Iran as an "axis of evil" that threatens world peace.
The communist regime in Pyongyang intensified its rhetoric yesterday by announcing that it was removing plutonium-monitoring equipment. Analysts say North Korea is likely to have sufficient nuclear-grade plutonium to make two or three weapons.
North Korea's official newspaper, Rodong Sinmun, said in an editorial that Washington could settle the issue by agreeing to a nonaggression pact. The United States rejects such a treaty with North Korea, which is one of the world's last communist police states.
South Korea, whose president-elect, Roh Moo-hyun, favors closer ties with the North, condemned Pyongyang's recent moves.
"Despite repeated warnings from our government and the international community, North Korea took further actions to unfreeze its nuclear activities, raising regional tension and amplifying international concerns over nuclear proliferation," Seoul said in a foreign ministry statement.
China, an ally of North Korea, recently broke with Pyongyang by saying the Korean Peninsula should be free of nuclear weapons.
The U.S. military's 1.4 million active-duty force is structured based on requirements in a policy statement called the Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR). Under the most recent QDR approved by Mr. Rumsfeld, the military is required to be able to defeat and occupy a foreign power while nearly simultaneously winning a war against a second foe.
Most analysts interpret the requirement as winning a war in the Persian Gulf against Iraq or Iran while repelling an invasion by the North into South Korea.
Mr. Rumsfeld yesterday forcefully asserted that his commanders today can carry out the QDR.
"We're capable of winning decisively in one and swiftly defeating in the case of the other," he said. "Let there be no doubt about it."
As he contemplates the timing for sending more men and women to the Gulf, Mr. Rumsfeld criticized the way the military's "total force" concept operates. To deploy heavy-combat units to war, the Pentagon must first perform the time-consuming practice of activating Reserve and National Guard units that support those divisions.
The defense secretary has ordered his staff to study whether some of those jobs cannot be permanently shifted to the active force so deployments go faster.
"You cannot do the things you normally would do with active forces to prepare ports and prepare airfields and to train people and to begin that process of being able to respond without activating Reserve and Guard," Mr. Rumsfeld said. "It's a shame that we're organized that way, and we intend to see that we're no longer organized that way in the future."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021224-25452610.htm
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N.Korea defence chief vows to punish 'U.S. hawks'



SEOUL, Dec 24 (Reuters) - North Korea's military will deal "merciless punishment" to the United States in the event of nuclear war, Pyongyang's Defence Minister Kim Il-chol said on Tuesday.

Ratcheting up North Korea's often belligerent rhetoric amid tensions over the communist state's nuclear weapons programme, Kim said his army will "fight to the end against the imperialists and class enemies under the present serious situation.

"The U.S. hawks are arrogant enough to groundlessly claim that the DPRK (North Korea) has pushed ahead with a "nuclear programme," bringing its hostile policy toward the DPRK to an extremely dangerous phase," the state-run Korean Central News Agency quoted Kim as saying.

"If they, ignorant of their rival, dare provoke a nuclear war, the army and people of the DPRK led by Kim Jong-il, the invincible commander, will rise up to mete out determined and merciless punishment to the U.S. imperialist aggressors with the might of single-hearted unity more powerful than A-bomb," he said.

North Korea, denounced by President George W. Bush as a member of an "axis of evil" with Iraq and Iran, has set alarm bells ringing by removing U.N. monitoring equipment at a nuclear reactor capable of yielding weapons-grade plutonium.

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Thanks for keeping this one active Dreadsox

Interesting choice of priorities for North Korea....

The masses are starving and the North Korean government wants to activate a nuclear "power plant" that would overwhelm the country's power grid.

A couple of well placed cruise missles would make the world a safer place....
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the world is quite frightening.

to all those who support war, why do you believe the us is wasting their time with iraq when a much more serious threat exists in north korea?
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Old 12-25-2002, 12:54 AM   #10
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Cow,

Because we believe a more serious threat exist in Iraq. Iraq has attacked and invaded 4 different countries over the past 20 years. North Korea has NOT attacked or invaded any country in 50 years. North Korea runs a very repressive regime and is cruel to its people. It has the world 4th largest army today. But only once in its history has it ever invaded another country and that was over 50 years ago.

What makes the threat of Saddam unique is that he has or is trying to get a lot of the WMD weapons that North Korea, but more importantly, has attacked and invaded four countries recently, used Chemical weapons against his own people and Iranian troops. North Korea has not done any of those things in the past half century.

Another important factor is that Iraq is close to 67% of the worlds energy reserves. In addition, the countries that border Iraq are comparitively weak compared to the countries that border North Korea. North Korea is one of the few countries that borders two Nuclear powers, China and Russia. The South Korean Military with 750,000 troops is not a push over and is one of the largest military's in the world.

Saddam is a greater threat becauses he has used his military to attack multiple countries, been willing to risk his own survival in doing so, and has used nearly every weapon that he has.
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what's up with north korea?

come on.

no need to build the nukes.

where's hawkeye pierce when we need him?
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i was seargent divine in our high schools rendition of MASH two and a half years ago. man was that fun.

anyway, north korea is acting like a neglected child. this is completely foolish of them. theyre putting so much effort into this, while their people starve. its rediculous.

despite their idiocy, i wish the united states WOULD open negotations with them. every country under the un must strive for a peaceful end to this.

as far as im concerned, north korea is FAR more of a threat than iraq.
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as far as im concerned, Nrth Korea is FAR more of a threat than iraq.
I am almost tat the point of seconding this! Me thinks the President could make this case easily.

I alos wonder if North Korea is trying to show that the US is toothless on this issue.


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Hello,

So what did North-Korea do these past few days?
Hmmm, lemme think...

- Break seals of a nuclear reactor, re-opening it (a nuclear reactor which is capable of producing radioactive material for a nuclear bomb)
- Transport plutonium to that reactor (in about 2 months it's fully started up)
- Expel UN weapon inspectors (reports the South-Korean press)
- Start 'war talk' with threats to the USA

Despite Sting2's (ad nauseum) repeated statement that North-Korea isn't that bad as it hasn't attacked 4 countries in a few years (it's only in war with South-Korea for 50 years or so, so that's no big deal) I'm more worried about North-Korea than about Iraq. If you compare the 2:
- A country which is mostly disarmed but may have some weapons left (maybe also of the abc categorie) compared to a country with a big army, claiming they have nuclear weapons and it's not known if they have more
- A country with an aggressive dictator who will nevertheless do anything to stay in power, even if that means complying to the demands of the international community compared to a country with a leader that is suddenly spouting aggressive language, but from a country that has always be extremely stubborn
(extra for US citizens)
- A country on the other side of the world compared to a country which likely has missiles that can reach the USA

Take your pick...

At this moment I'm against action/war against Iraq, but I hope the UN will soon step up to eliminate the Korean problem (disarm, change of regime, etc.) As Dreadsox says, it's more than easy for any government to make a case against North-Korea and why it should be disarmed.

Let's hope the world will be safer in 2003...

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Clinton did just about as good of job babysitting North Korea as he did Al-Queda and Afganistan.

Here's to 'ya buddy! Nice job!
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