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Old 09-15-2005, 08:59 PM   #316
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Before and after aerial images

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Old 09-17-2005, 09:52 AM   #317
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In this photo released by FEMA, rescue workers transport a 71-year-old resident who was rescued by members of the FEMA Urban Search and Rescue, California Task Force 3, Friday, Sept. 16, 2005, in New Orleans. The man survived in his attic for 18 days with just a gallon of water.



A casket marked with the name Delores Belmonte came to rest at the doors of St. Bernard Catholic Church in St.Bernard, La. Friday Sept. 16, 2005. The flood waters of Hurricane Katrina caused some caskets to float out of their tombs



The wheel chair with a slipper still on the footrest sits in the mud left behind by Hurricane Katrina at St. Rita's Nursing home in St. Bernard, La. Thirty four people died while waiting to be rescued from the floodwaters

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Old 09-18-2005, 05:50 AM   #318
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So the nursing home, NOT any local state of Federal official, gets charged with the deaths.

Has it ever occurred to you Republicans that the local Dems in the area might be just as scared of an independent comission, 9/11 style, to investigate the response, as Bush is? Having an truly independent Comission to investigte (as opposed to "bipartisan" "inquiry" Congressioanl sham that Bush wants is a farce. Wihtout the public knowing the real truth, locals can't be prosecuted either. They're hiding too.
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Oh...I forgot, I was the one who started this thread....*sigh*. I just read the whole thing...haven't been online for a few days.

Here's another hero story....I posted it else where but with an angry statement as well...

a REAL heart-warmer.

The Story of Steve

[url]http://www.comebackalive.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12776

And PS..Dreadsox if you haven't seen the other thread....I'm going to be in yr neck of the woods on Teus, Oct 4, I have GA's to the Fleet that night. Any chance of you and the Mrs dropping by the GA line? Are you going that night? I'd love to meet a fellwo FYM'er...even if we are politcal rivals, we are fellow historians
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So the nursing home, NOT any local state of Federal official, gets charged with the deaths.

Has it ever occurred to you Republicans that the local Dems in the area might be just as scared of an independent comission, 9/11 style, to investigate the response, as Bush is? Having an truly independent Comission to investigte (as opposed to "bipartisan" "inquiry" Congressioanl sham that Bush wants is a farce. Wihtout the public knowing the real truth, locals can't be prosecuted either. They're hiding too.
I think the nursing home and the state and local should be open for suing.

And yes.....I am willing to stake my life there is plenty of CYA on both sides of the aisle.

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And PS..Dreadsox if you haven't seen the other thread....I'm going to be in yr neck of the woods on Teus, Oct 4, I have GA's to the Fleet that night. Any chance of you and the Mrs dropping by the GA line? Are you going that night? I'd love to meet a fellwo FYM'er...even if we are politcal rivals, we are fellow historians
I am not in the GA's and will most likely be arriving during the opening act due to school responsibilities..

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Sure thing Dread....check yr email tomorrow. (Monday). I'm off to church and won't be online the rest of the day....

When I'm exhausted I make a lot of typos. I didn't even edit that...sorry

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Has it ever occurred to you Republicans that the local Dems in the area might be just as scared of an independent comission, 9/11 style, to investigate the response, as Bush is? Having an truly independent Comission to investigte (as opposed to "bipartisan" "inquiry" Congressioanl sham that Bush wants is a farce. Wihtout the public knowing the real truth, locals can't be prosecuted either. They're hiding too.
There is more than enough blame to go around on every level of government from Bush on down, but the more I see New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on TV the more I think the guy is a sleazeball and a total political hack. I'm not from the south and I'd never heard of the guy before Katrina so I'm basing my opinion on the media coverage. From that media coverage here are the basics:

- On 8/27 Nagin issued a state of emergency for New Orleans (this came a full day after Gov. Blanco had issued a state of emergency for all of Louisiana and several hours after Pres. Bush had done the same) and he issued a voluntary evacuation. He did not yet issue a mandatory evacuation because he was having his legal team determine if he could order a mandatory evacuation without exposing the city to legal liability for the closure of hotels and other businesses.

- On 8/28 he ordered a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans but, other than making that announcement, he didn't take any real steps to assist those who did not have a way or means to evacuate the city (such as using the city school buses). Instead he relied on people to get out on their own or to get to the 'safe' shelters.

- On a radio broadcast a few days after Katrina, Nagin issues a cursing, screaming plea for help from federal officials. He also states that the death toll could reach 10,000 which appears to be nothing more than a guess on his part, but it is immediately reported as an official estimate.

- The week following Katrina, the military moves in and takes charge of the relief and recovery efforts. This appears to please Nagin who heaps praise on the man in charge of the military, Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, as a man who can "get some stuff done".

- Later in the week Nagin states that people refusing to leave their homes will no longer be given food and water and will be forcibly evacuated. This apparently comes as a surprise to Gen. Honore who says that his troops will not refuse to give food and water and that if the mayor wants forced evacuations then the New Orleans police will have to do it.

- Last weekend Nagin left New Orleans for several days to go to Dallas where he set his family up in a home and enrolled his kids in school there. There's nothing wrong with him being concerned for his own family, but this came as people were still being rescued from 'his' city and as news reports were surfacing about the horrific deaths at nursing homes and hospitals which were not evacuated before the storm.

- Upon his return to New Orleans Nagin had completely changed his tune from his earlier statements of forcible evacuations and now cheerfully stated that parts of the city were ready to be re-opened and that nearly 200,000 people would be returning within a couple of weeks. This apparently comes as a surprise to the man in charge of Katrina relief efforts, Coast Guard Vice Admiral Thad Allen, who states that Nagin's plan is 'problematic'.

From these media reports, this is the impression I have gotten of Nagin - before the storm he was more concerned about businesses and the tourism industry than he was about his citizens; before, during, and after the storm he was completely overwhelmed and had no clue how to go about the task placed before him; after the military has cleaned up the mess, he is now back to being more concerned about businesses and tourism which is why he is so anxious to get parts of the city re-opened. Am I wrong? Is this guy not the sleazeball I think he is?
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NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- The number of deaths in Louisiana blamed on Hurricane Katrina has risen to 799, the state's Department of Health and Hospitals said Wednesday, bringing the overall death toll from the storm to 1,033.

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See today's NY Times. Apparently the Mayor is not suffering--he has emerged as a "local folk hero." Blanco seems to be the least popular--just as I predicted.

NO is apparently a city of contrasts--it has a small but VERY powerful tax base of white business owners and the majority are black and poor. You can't win an elction without getting the white community on your side and as a black candidate, he had to work extra hard to court them. He won by a narrow majority, the white voters swung it. Since then, he's been senitive to the white business element. Not that I'm sticking up for him or anything. But NO has been famous for centuries for its spectacular local corruption. I am learnijng so much....there's only so much one can do there without being sucked into the Machine. Lucky he was a politcal novice, I suppose, or he'd be even more corrupt.


PS there is report in today's Times about Deja Vu, a Strip club still open in the French Quarter. The NY Times reporter dutifully listed the prices at the club (including the $10 for a "couch dance" upstairs). Wonder if he paid for one?

Can you see the Baton Rouge NY TImes Bureau everyone at the serious NY TImes fighting to get this story. How much actual "reporting" was being done is up to debate....
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I just heard on the news that Rita is now a Category 5 hurricane.
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