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Old 03-21-2003, 11:41 AM   #16
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That sounds like all the kids in their Levi's protesting in the anti globalisation marches, U2FReAK, who probably eat McDonalds, drink Coke and no doubt have some kind of MS software on their computers.
I think this statement helps us understand or help us questions what may be happening on our streets. It may sound simplistic, but when someone is chanting "No War" (which sounds like a perfectly reasonable statement), no one asks "what do you mean by No War"?

Is it all about loss of innocent life? No.

As I mentioned before, people die from preventable causes every day in every country. There are many things that could be done to lower the loss of life in this world. Are there mass protests outside tobacco companies? No. Do we demand that automobiles be unable to travel over 30 mph? No. Dare I ask, do the same protestors decry the death of unborn children? Is this really about loss of human life?

Is it about respecting the sovereignty of Iraq? Probably not. Not many Saddam supporters around.

Is it about the power of the US President? Maybe. Protesting is self-empowerment.

What is really driving these protests?
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Old 03-21-2003, 12:40 PM   #17
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War Protest.

Let me just state, I believe that this war is something that had to be done. I hope it is done as quickly as possible with as little loss of life as possible.


Now that everyone knows where I stand on the war let me say that I get the feeling that the people protesting in America are doing so for the wrong reason.

I have nothing to back this up with other than a feeling and an opinion. I do not get the feeling that the majority of these people give one red cent about peace. I dont think they really care about the people of Iraq. I dont think they care about the deaths that will be caused by this war.

I think that they care about how people view them. They are afraid of the rest of the world judging them and finding them guilty of being uncivilized, uncompassionate and worst of all unhip.

Like I said, this might be way off base but it is just the way I percieve the protesters of America. The rest of the world have other reasons to protest and since I dont live in the rest of the world I will make no comment on them.

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Don't feel bad about thousands of peaceniks making idiots of themselves in a country of over 250 MILLION. From the Poll Numbers of Support, Apparently No American cares about such a small minority protest.. I hope they get rained on.

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Old 03-21-2003, 12:55 PM   #19
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What I believe is really driving them is that they started small, gained popularity and now it really is the popular thing to do, as "high school" as that sounds.

But speaking of high school, I remember being in high school during the first Golf War and students doing a "walk out". Well, I would estimate probably 30-40 percent of the students were sincere in their belief and what the demonstration was about. The others were just out to get out of class, get some attention, and really had no stance on the subject.

I see the same mentality on the streets now. People running around acting like fools, while a smaller group protests in a peaceful way.

I am glad that there are protests out there and I believe that many are sincere. But there message is starting to get lost with all the fighting and vandalism.
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Re: War Protest.

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I have nothing to back this up with other than a feeling and an opinion. I do not get the feeling that the majority of these people give one red cent about peace. I dont think they really care about the people of Iraq. I dont think they care about the deaths that will be caused by this war.


I think you're wrong.
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Meegannie,

I think there are a few that care about deaths that are caused by this war, but what makes people like me skeptical is that they don't seem to care about the deaths that have taken place (1.3 million) and the deaths that will continue to take place if this war wasn't happening right now.
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So it's back to the anti-war = pro-Saddam routine.
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So it's back to the anti-war = pro-Saddam routine.
Anti-war does not equal pro Saddam.


But why does anti-war lead to deprivation of civilian liberties or, in more limited cases, destruction of personal property. I don't get it.
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But why does anti-war lead to deprivation of civilian liberties or, in more limited cases, destruction of personal property. I don't get it.
I completely disagree with those types of protests.
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So it's back to the anti-war = pro-Saddam routine.
Whoa, that's not what I meant at all. What I'm saying is that of course you have the right to protest a war, I'm fine with that and am glad that people are using this right. But if they are claiming to care about lives lost in Iraq, then they should care all the time, not just when it is popular to get out in the street and protest.

They should have been protesting UN sanctions and the Iraqi leadership for the last 12 years.
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If they really give a damn then why are they not in street everday protesting the millions that are dying in Africa due to civil unrest.

Where is the compassion for all those crying out in the world because of war and poverty. Thier contempt outweighs thier compassion by miles. It is contempt and not compassion that has these people in the streets.
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There ARE people protesting those things, and there have been for years. I'm not denying the fact that some protestors have other motives. I just think it's harsh to say that most protestors don't care about the Iraqi people.
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There ARE people protesting those things, and there have been for years. I'm not denying the fact that some protestors have other motives. I just think it's harsh to say that most protestors don't care about the Iraqi people.
I agree that there are undoubtedly small groups of people, usually in DC, that protest UN sanctions and Aid to Africa year round, and I applaud them I really do. They are truly standing up for their convictions and it's awesome to see, and not easy to do.

I also think it is harsh to say that protestors don't care about the Iraqi people. What I would say is that while they may care about them, they really don't have much of an idea of what is really going on over there day in and day out before this war. They are out chanting that war is bad. It's hard to argue against that, but this time, looking at the oppression and death that these people have faced, maybe this war can do some good.

It all remains to be seen at the moment. I just hope that it turns out for the best for that country and those countries arround Iraq that have been terrorized by Saddam.
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These are examples of the "peace" protests that happened yesterday:

>SANA'A Yemen -- Four people were shot dead and dozens more were injured Friday as police clashed with demonstrators trying to storm the U.S. Embassy in Yemen, witnesses told CNN, on a second day of worldwide protests against the war in Iraq.

Police began shooting after tear gas failed to disperse a crowd of about 2,000 people who gathered at the embassy in the capital San'a after Friday prayers.

Meanwhile in Cairo, Egypt, Muslims hurled rocks and furniture at riot police from the roof of the historic al-Azhar mosque after Friday prayers.

As tens of thousands of protesters headed for the Arab League headquarters and the U.S. Embassy, vowing to burn it down and kick out the ambassador, police turned water cannon on the crowds.

Plainclothes police carrying batons were seen beating several protesters. The Associated Press reported that more than 30 protesters and police were injured.

Demonstrators, including women and children, accused Arab governments of "cowardice" for not taking a stand against the war.

In Amman, Jordan, police used tear gas against more than 10,000 people demonstrating against the war in a rally led by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Thousands of Palestinians also demonstrated across the West Bank and Gaza in support of Iraq, waving Iraqi flags, holding pictures of Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat and calling on the Iraqi president to "burn Tel Aviv."

Friday's protests followed unrest across the world on Thursday, including the United States, where more than 1,500 people were arrested from San Francisco to Washington, D.C.

In Srinagar, the summer capital of India's northern state of Jammu and Kashmir, protesters shouted anti-U.S. slogans and pelted stones at passing cars. Police were forced to use batons and tear gas to disperse crowds.

Thousands of Muslims in eastern Malaysia burned American and British flags and effigies of the two countries' leaders. >
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I just think it's harsh to say that most protestors don't care about the Iraqi people.
I guess the question would be "How were the protestors expressing their care and concern for the Iraqi people over the last 12 years?"

I see a parallel with the celebrity trials in Los Angeles. So many people getting angry, shouting "how could OJ kill his wife?" Yet, every day someone is killed in South Central Los Angeles, and the same protestors are nowhere to be found.
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