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Old 04-07-2003, 06:58 PM   #31
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well, I said that in order to keep the thread from getting out of control and spinning in a million different directions, as most threads like this do. you are right; the u.s. history regarding war is in fact very much a part of this discussion. however, why don't we start a seperate thread entitled "why the u.s. dropped the bombs on japan in wwII". surely that topic will generate about a thousand responses.
and I don't mean to purturb anyone.

ok, i thought you were saying like...don't mention it because you felt it was irrelevant, that's what puturbed me.

otherwise i see where you're coming from
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Old 04-07-2003, 07:12 PM   #32
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IMO this is the only incident. The buried ones were found today.
Believe me if they had found suspected chemicals on weapons Rumsfeld would be pissing himself to tell the world at the Pentagon briefing. All the other stations picked up the story from NPR.
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Old 04-07-2003, 07:19 PM   #33
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The chemicals were not found on bombs. That was an overzealous reporter or overzealous soldier. They were in buried barrels. That is not to say they might be.
I would not be surprised if they are.
You might not be aware, but there were 20 missiles found as well. They are short range 12 mile range. These are different from the chemicals in the barrels. Rumsfeld, stated in a press conference it would take days to have any kind of conclusive results on the warheads. It seems they are considered too dangerous to open where they are.

US finds missiles with chemical weapons-NPR radio

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WASHINGTON, April 7 (Reuters) - U.S. forces near Baghdad found a weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National Public Radio reported on Monday.

NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st Marine Division, said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed the chemicals were "not just trace elements."

It said the cache was discovered by Marines with the 101st Airborne Division, which was following up behind the Army after it seized Baghdad's international airport.

U.S. Central Command headquarters in Qatar had no immediate comment.

The United States and Britain launched the war against Iraq to rid the country of weapons of mass destruction. Iraq denies having such weapons.
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NPR has since pulled the story or I can't find it on their sight. I listened to that report also. But other news orgs descended there and the military backpedalled on the report. CNN interviewed a person handling the testing and they only talked about the barrels.

Not trying to argue. Maybe the military wants it hushed up.
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Must...that is why it was just on ABC nightly news with the NPR reporter.

I will now leave because obviously I should not be typing about these things since it is a secret...LOL

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One last thing....Rumsfeld himself said not to believe initial reports from the field, that they very frequently turn out to be wrong.

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LOL i was talking about the chemicals being on the missles.

"It seems they are considered too dangerous to open where they are. "
"were equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed the chemicals were "not just trace elements."

Contradictory to say the least.
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I have no idea why that is contradictory? Opening the missiles without the proper equiptment seems smart? The trace comes from the outside of the missile.

I am confused.
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Before I misquote him, here is the exact quote. The other part, was from ABC News about further testing needed on the missiles.
Here are Rumsfelds own words.

Rumsfeld: Once we decided to put reporters in with units that were out, it was obvious that they would be there when things were discovered and that they would report on them, which is fine. And they've reported what sounded -- I haven't seen the report, but it sounded -- you used the word "apparently" and you used the word "preliminary," so it sounds like a very responsible report. We don't do that. We have to recognize that almost all first reports that we get turn out to be wrong. There tend to be changes in them. And as a result, we have to take our time and look at it. I don't know, Dick, how many of these things we've seen in the last couple of years, but literally dozens and dozens and dozens of instances where the first report comes in -- and perfectly good reporting -- but it's wrong. And therefore, we don't do that.

We don't do first reports and we don't speculate. And I can tell you it takes days to get samples of things from wherever they are in the battlefield into a first place where they take a look, and then to a second place where things get checked. And I think that the prudent thing in a case like this would be to kind of let the thing play itself out and we'll see what's -- we'll eventually know.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2...3_t0407sd.html http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2...3_t0407sd.html
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Because first they say that can't open them (yes that's smart) but they report what they do have and "not trace elements" .

Anyway, I honestly, hope the reports are true. It certainly would help to legitimize this war and improve our image to the rest of the world.
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For all we know, they are rubbing fertilizer everywhere to screw up our detection devices. I am not sold that we have what we would like to find at this point. Saddam has a very big country to hide things in.
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Yes, I listened to Rumsfeld today. He was hesitant to say much. After other false reports I don't blame him.
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Have you heard any updates on Humanitarian aid getting to Basra? I saw all the looting, but they didn't mention HA.

sorry to go of topic.
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Basra, is not good from what I read. Nothing new on the aid. General Brooks said this morning that they were more concerned with getting water and electricity restored to stem any immediate crisis. No luck with any deliveries from what I have been reading.
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It looked like chaos on the news. Water would be the most important thing.
I think there's going to be a lot of small skirmishes with guerilla type forces for some time to came even after Bagdad falls. It will make getting the Red Cross and other Aid difficult. I don't think we even have total control of any of the larger cities. Nasiryha(?) is supposed to be a disaster also.
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