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Old 03-24-2006, 11:49 PM   #31
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i don't think god gives a shit.
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Old 03-25-2006, 09:16 AM   #32
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I think God laughs at the idea of human inerrancy.
Well, come on. If it's inerrant "just because," why isn't the Koran inerrant? Because you're not a Muslim?

Let's face it: if you had been born in that part of the globe, you probably would be a Muslim yourself.

And there's the can of worms...both can't be inerrant at the same time. Either one is right or both are wrong.

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Either one is right or both are wrong.
That is very true.

But if both are wrong, why follow [i]any[/] of it?
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That is very true.

But if both are wrong, why follow [i]any[/] of it?
If you've chosen one, than both are not wrong--to you.
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That is very true.

But if both are wrong, why follow any of it?
Good question. However, not all religious traditions insist on scriptural inerrancy, so this is not necessarily a problem for everyone.

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By DANIEL COONEY, Associated Press Writer

An Afghan court on Sunday dismissed a case against a man who converted from Islam to Christianity because of a lack of evidence, and he will be released soon, an official said.

The official told The Associated Press that the case had been returned to the prosecutors for more investigation, but that in the meantime, Abdul Rahman would be released.

"The court dismissed today the case against Abdul Rahman for a lack of information and a lot of legal gaps in the case," the official said Sunday, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

"The decision about his release will be taken possibly tomorrow," he added.

The court, and Afghan President Hamid Karzai, had been under intense international pressure to drop the case against Rahman, who faced a possible death sentence for his conversion.

Some Islamic clerics had called for him to be put to death, saying Rahman would face danger from his countrymen if he were released.

Earlier Sunday he was moved to a notorious maximum-security prison outside Kabul that is also home to hundreds of Taliban and al-Qaida militants. The move to Policharki Prison came after detainees threatened his life at an overcrowded police holding facility in central Kabul, a court official said on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

Gen. Shahmir Amirpur, who is in charge of Policharki, confirmed the move and said Rahman had also been begging his guards to provide him with a Bible.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice phoned Karzai last Thursday and asked for a "favorable resolution" to the case. Karzai also heard from Pope Benedict XVI, who urged Rahman's release out of respect for religious freedom.
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Unless he puts himself under exile he'll be murdered I reckon...

How much of an input does the US have over the constitution?

With 'Sharia' always incorporated into government and judicial systems, how can these countries possibly progress? We'll just keep seeing more shit like this.
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Old 03-26-2006, 01:21 PM   #39
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An Afghan court on Sunday dismissed a case against a man who converted from Islam to Christianity because of a lack of evidence, and he will be released soon, an official said.
A simple solution that saves Mr. Rahman's life while leaving intact the Afghan death for conversion law.
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A simple solution that saves Mr. Rahman's life while leaving intact the Afghan death for conversion law.
Yes, as long as their legal code is based on Sharia, the law will stay the same. Bad news for other converts.
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It's worth pointing out that even in secular Turkey proselatizing (sorry, have trouble spelling that word) is illegal. Muslims just don't take kindly to this sort of thing.
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That is a constant in the Muslim world. Historically, religious groups would eliminate foreign faiths as a way to preserve their own (see Hebrew conquest of Canaan). It seems as if this idea has continued through today for Islam.
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There is a fundamental incompatibiltiy between the Islamic theistic and humanistic version of human rights
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Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Sounds relatively innofensive, freedom of concience and religion (or lack thereof) is an ideal that can extend to most all human beings - one is not born to religion.

Contrasts sharply with
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Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam

Article 10
Islam is the religion of true unspoiled nature. It is prohibited to exercise any form of pressure on man or to exploit his poverty or ignorance in order to force him to change his religion to another religion or to atheism.
Fundamentally opposed to a humanistic worldview - in this the only religious freedom is a so-called "reversion" to Islam. Death to apostates in Sharia cannot be changed, Prince Charles was told as much by his interfaith gathering at Clarence House a while back when getting a clarification on the matter. I certainly can't get behind that.

I can respect a persons right to practice any religion, when that religion punishes somebody for trying to practice their human rights it looses all respect and should get contempt - without exception: this applies to any religion.

Those who will scold Afghanistan for their treatment of the Christian convert but not even lament the execution of homosexuals in nations such as Iran should consider the real motivations for conviction against only certain deprivations of liberty.

Those who would forfeit a right to free speech in the name of theist harmony who object to this must also ask the same questions.
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Those who will scold Afghanistan for their treatment of the Christian convert but not even lament the execution of homosexuals in nations such as Iran should consider the real motivations for conviction against only certain deprivations of liberty.
Yes. We should ask our current administration this very question.

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An administration that has taken a strong stand of sitting on the fence over the Mohammed Cartoons and pushing a line of thinking that protects the religious from others thought and expression.
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