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Old 09-15-2006, 03:00 PM   #16
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They don't have that right. And neither does the Pope.

And Christians have never persecuted/killed/tortured Muslims

*cough*gitmo*cough*crusades*cough*


*coug*expansion of Ottoman empire*cough* *cough* *wtc* *cough* *olympics bombing* *cough* *wipe Israel off face of Earth* *cough* *cough*
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What right does the Pope have to say these things about Muslims?
he was quoting. He repeatedly said "I quote". Perhaps that was lost on some people.
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No. This Pope is alot like his predecessor in this and in many other ways. I'm not exactly shocked. He's a very conservative Pope. As for those countries, well, they aren't reaching out to him, and this makes it terribly unlikely that he'll do anything like that in the near future.
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Why should they be mad at the pope when he was quoting someone from the Byzantine Empire. And why can't we really see the state of the middle east as an out of control region where extremist muslim groups are trying to become the ruling leaders of the land and impose ancient forms of islam that are then twisted around.
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he was quoting. He repeatedly said "I quote". Perhaps that was lost on some people.
Yeah.
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Why would anyone want to deal with a fucked up region anyways. Were a cartoon will lead to riots and deaths. People calling for the death of the person who drew the cartoon and refuse to change.

Maybe Turkey is not as bad as the rest of the islamic world.
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Justin, you're really not giving anyone who wants to debate the issue constructively much to work with here, at all. And your generalizations about "fucked up regions" and "pre-schoolers who complain and kill for every little God Damn Thing" are quite frankly crossing the appropriateness line.
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Old 09-15-2006, 03:33 PM   #23
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How would the Chrisitan community react if an Imam said such a thing?? We would probably brush it off. Can someone explain to me why they have to create such a hoopla?




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Thanks yolland. I'm having a challenged day, to say the least. This Pope doesn't have his predessor's personality. But no, he's not reaching out to the Muslims in these countries. He's scheduled to go to Turkey in November. If he wants them to be receptive to his message he needs to change his tune.
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The niples off janet and a gay spongebob ? I remember also something about sinead oconner tearing a picture of the pope, what a negative reactions she got. O, and the latest, Madonna on the cross at the new worldtour,...some christians wanted to forbid that trough a court order.
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He was quoting, and I doubt he was saying it to all muslims but the extremists. The ones who need to change there tune is everyone of islamic faith. They over react.
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The niples off janet and a gay spongebob ? I remember also something about sinead oconner tearing a picture of the pope, what a negative reations she got. O, and the latest, Madonna on the cross at the new worldtour,...some christians wanted to forbid that trough a court order.
But at least they didn't threaten to kill.
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How does quoting change anything?

If I quote Hitler, do I get away with it due to the fact that I was quoting Hitler?
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BVS, I agree with you on this. I'm not really sure what he was trying to accomplish. I do agree with him (that Islam teaches convert or die), but this pope doesn't seem like the type of leader to "agitate" the Muslim world the way he is going.

The story is indeed a strange one.
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