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Old 09-18-2006, 12:47 AM   #151
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He quoted what the christian emperor of Byzantine said about some of Mohhamds perspectives. Do you believe Mohhamed was a man of Peace?
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I am judging 1% for the evil acts. The other 21% have done nothing to stop that 1 %.
Does your own silence on the subject make you evil and inhumane?
Or is just Muslim silence that makes one evil.
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:51 AM   #153
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I never said the other 21% are evil only the 1% which there are 1 % in everything in life that fucks it up for the rest. I don't feel I am evil. I am a very caring person.
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He quoted what the christian emperor of Byzantine said about some of Mohhamds perspectives. Do you believe Mohhamed was a man of Peace?
No, it wasn't something he said about some of Mohhamed's perspectives, he said
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prophet Mohammed had brought "things only evil and inhuman".
ONLY evil and inhuman.

I never met Mohhamed.
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:55 AM   #155
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By citing an obscure medieval text that characterizes some of the teachings of Islam’s founder as “evil and inhuman,” Benedict inflamed Muslim passions and aggravated fears of a new outbreak of anti-Western protests.
some of the teachings of Islam’s founder as “evil and inhuman,”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14846353/
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I never said the other 21% are evil only the 1% which there are 1 % in everything in life that fucks it up for the rest. I don't feel I am evil. I am a very caring person.
You said the Pope spoke the truth. The Pope quoted someone who said Mohammed brought only things evil and inhuman, well Mohammed brought the Muslim religion.

So how are you not saying all Muslims are evil?
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some of the teachings of Islam’s founder as “evil and inhuman,”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14846353/
So now the quote changed?

Sounds like someone's backpedaling...
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Cause only 1 % is. 1 % of Catholosism is evil, etc.. etc... and he said "some" and that some is being practiced by 1 % of evil in the islamic religion who have there own version.
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That quoted you just quoted me on was from the msnbc site.
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How would the Chrisitan community react if an Imam said such a thing?? We would probably brush it off. Can someone explain to me why they have to create such a hoopla?





See, part of the problem is that we in the west are constantly bombarded with pictures and footage of people going mental in the streets, burning stuff. I'm not saying it's not true and doesn't happen, but the media is part of the machine, frightening people.

I wonder how different it would be if we were also contantly shown (mostly christian) soldiers bombing places and seeing civilians murdered and dead children??

There is no balance or equality in this world ... it's hard to co-exist without it.
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These are the facts...

Pope is planning to make a visit to Turkey in November...The important thing about this visit is that it will be made under the invitation of the Eastern Orthdox Patriarch, this is something that not many people outside Greece or Turkey know...Among the other contacts, he will meet the Eastern Orthdox Patriarch (considering to be equal to the Pope) the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I...The Turks don't won't to recognize the "ecumenicatility" (I didn't find any other word, so I used this) of the Patriarch, because if the recognize it, they will have a Greek Orthdox "Vatican City" right inside a Muslim nation...So they put whatever obstacles they can to try to cancel the visit...This is pretty obvious...
Turks usually use this kind of tricks...One good example is that:
During the winning ceremony of the turkish F1 Grand Prix, they used the "primeminister" of the invaded and occupied northern Cyprus to present the winner's prize... -The state they ''created" there is called Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus- is a de facto break-away state whose statehood is recognized only by Turkey, all other Member States of the UN recognizing the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the area it claims to administer.This state has no borders, but a green line wich is protected by the UN peace force...So they tried to bring this state to the national community attention...
Unfortunately this drug the attention of FIA and it's likely to ban the Grand Prix of Turkey for a year...

As for the comments Pope made, he was reading a Byzantine's Emperor quote in a university speech...This Emperor was surrounded by Turks for many many years...I think that he souldn't have read such comments, due to his position in the world...Although, some took the chance and overeacted for their own personal reasons...
Peace...
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"As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up, knelt down before Him, and asked Him, 'Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus answered him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: 'You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; you shall not defraud; honor your father and your mother.'' He replied and said to him, 'Teacher, all of these I have observed from my youth.' Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said to him, 'You are lacking in one thing. Go, sell what you have, and give to (the) poor and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.' At that statement his face fell, and he went away sad, for he had many possessions." - Mark 10:17-22

No, I think it's better off being called "The Bible."

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All the more ironic, considering that with all our vernacular Bibles, most people still rely on their ministers to tell them what the Bible says. As much as things change, they stay the same.

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People have always relied on spiritual advisors from the very beginning of mankind. We can take Ancient Greece or Ancient Rome, or any pagan civilization and apply that same principle. There's a reason they went to theological seminary in the first place. It's the way they use their power that could be for better or worse.

But the Bible is out there to expose how the religious zealots lied their way into The Crusades, and other pre-Reformation fallacies, due to corrupt leadership.
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Just want to say that most of the Muslims that I know socially and at work are decent people. Just in case someone wants to take my comments out of context.
Most of them I know are not bad people either.

Although I have run into one in my personal life that suggested I should beat my mother for picking me up late after a sporting event.
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The opposite of Marxism would be pure individual self-interest, does that match God.
The opposite of Marxism is free will.
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