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Old 09-01-2005, 07:02 AM   #16
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RFK Jr wrote an article essentially blaming it on Bush policies and the gov of Mississippi, it was on Drudge yesterday but I can't find it right now. People will always politicize things like this, for better or worse

No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"

By Sidney Blumenthal (former Clinton advisor)

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.


Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now underwater, reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by President Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow related to interstate commerce.

In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's authors. The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality dismissed the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what we're doing."

"My administration's climate change policy will be science based," President Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations reflecting its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a bureaucracy," and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report. The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of the line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this year, Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists, meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising temperature of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.

In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's most powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ... Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and administrations of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush completely ignored this statement.

In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of science by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal Drug Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of responsibility for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's evangelical Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to delete its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to racial profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for work in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was formerly CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the National Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking professional background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and prohibit any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials through the Park Service.

On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D. Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very own "Streetcar Named Desire."

RFK Jr article

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...e-_b_6396.html
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Old 09-01-2005, 07:57 AM   #17
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Projects like the ones mentioned in the previous post would certainly not have been done by now if funded in 2004. Everyone knows how efficiently and smoothly the federal bureaucracy is run If these had been funded a couple of decades ago then maybe disaster could have been averted. If we want to blame presidents and politicians then the blame should go back years and years.
I agree, to a point. But this administration should have bucked the trend, right?

But we are talking about the President here who cares the absolute least about the environment.

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I'm waiting for Bush to announce his "War On Weather!"


I'm kinda with MrBrau1 on this
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from my girlfriend, Wonkette:



The President's Response to Insurgent Katrina

Fox News and others are reporting that the President just got "his own bird's eye view" of Katrina's damage as Air Force One flew over the devestated region. Shortly after, Bush gave prepared remarks to the press pool:

We are making progress in New Orleans. The flood is in its last throes. Clearly, the hurricane has a hateful ideology and does not like our freedom or our dryness. We cannot surrender to it. In New Orleans, they are working on a draft evacuation; it is an evacuation process, and we must expect that if we are to bring American-style democracy to the Mississippi Delta.

The president added that "to pull out now would only give aid to the elements."
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So now we are going to politicize natural disasters....

Disappointing to say the least.


yes, it's terrible when people politicize disasters and massive death, like, say, 9-11 ...

i don't think anyone is politicizing Katrina itself, but they are politicizing (and in some cases, rightfully so) the following:

1. rising ocean temperatures, due to global warming, might not increase the number of hurricanes but they absolutely do increase the strength of the hurricanes

2. the diminishing wetlands around New Orleans is an issue -- wetlands are a natural barrier to floods

3. despite continuous warnings that hurricanes could hit New Orleans -- i remember hearing, and this might be wrong, that a hurricane hitting NO was one of the three most likely natural disasters to hit the US according to FEMA in 2001 -- the Bush administration and Republican controlled Congress in recent years have repeatedly denied full funding for hurricane preparation and flood control.

4. the 3,000 Louisiana National Guard troops in Iraq who are needed more at home than over there.



also, don't think it's just the left politicizing this. take (not seriously) for example this:

"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city. From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence', New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same. Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster. However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," - Michael Marcavage, in a statement from the evangelical Christian group, "Repent America."

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html



as well as:

From: Columbia Christians for Life
Subject: Hurricane Katrina satellite image looks like 6-week fetus
To: Columbia Christians for Life

Satellite picture of Hurricane Katrina at NOAA.com looks like a 6-week unborn human child as it comes ashore the Gulf Coast, vicinity states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida at 12:32 PM, Monday, August 29, 2005



Hurricane "Katrina" (reportedly means "Pure" in Russian) - satellite image - Monday, 29 Aug 05, 12:32 PM (EDT) - coming ashore Gulf Coast - satellite image looks like 6-week fetus

check out NOAA website: www.noaa.gov/

The image of the hurricane above with its eye already ashore at 12:32 PM Monday, August 29 looks like a fetus (unborn human baby) facing to the left (west) in the womb, in the early weeks of gestation (approx. 6 weeks). Even the orange color of the image is reminiscent of a commonly used pro-life picture of early prenatal development (see sign with picture of 8-week pre-born human child below). In this picture, and in another picture in today's on-line edition of USA Today*, this hurricane looks like an unborn human child.

Louisiana has 10 child-murder-by-abortion centers - FIVE are in New Orleans
www.ldi.org ('Find an Abortion Clinic [sic]')
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When I can't send any relief money because it costs me $4 a gallon for gas and I have to decide between someone without water and me without a way to get to food, you tell me what I should be doing?

I saw 3000 people die in NYC and I aM sick of hearing "freedom" over and over and over again to justify a war in Iraq in their names while their murderer is still free. If that wasn't a political move, I don't know what is.
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Maybe our oil companies can make a substantial donation on our behalf.

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Maybe our oil companies can make a substantial donation on our behalf.

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I know this is hard, Melon, but in a time like this we should think rational. Oil companies donating money.

That being said, the government better give them some money quick to 1) fix the oil rigs and 2) get the refineries running.
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I know this is hard, Melon, but in a time like this we should think rational. Oil companies donating money.
I'm sorry my very scathing sarcasm isn't apparent in textual formats.

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But Europe was unnerved by how ill-prepared the world's biggest economy was for Hurricane Katrina's rampage.
I must say I agree. Did we do anything in terms of disaster preparation, or have we just spent billions of dollars trying to prevent the exact circumstances of 9/11 from ever happening again? Because, you know, each disaster is unique.

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I have to agree with my fellow Canadian, Trevster2k, here. That this happened is a unimaginable tragedy for the American people and a collosal failure and embarassment for the various levels of government involved.

It is inexcusable.
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It doesn't help that the WH's principals have taken so long in showing a sense of urgency.

And it doesn't help when Condi's reportedly doing this:

http://www.gawker.com/news/condoleez...n-shoes-123467

"According to Drudge, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has recently enjoyed a little Broadway entertainment. And Page Six reports that she’s also working on her backhand with Monica Seles. So the Gulf Coast has gone all Mad Max, women are being raped in the Superdome, and Rice is enjoying a brief vacation in New York. We wish we were surprised.

"What does surprise us: Just moments ago at the Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we’ve confirmed this, so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo’s Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice’s timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, “How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!” Never one to have her fashion choices questioned, Rice had security PHYSICALLY REMOVE the woman.

"Angry Lady, whoever you are, we love you. You are a true American."

And it doesn't help when US authorities are so disorganized, they won't allow other countries, such as Canada and its DART team (which helped out with the Indonesian tsunami victims), to help out in the rescue efforts:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/31/235829/261

Time to give Haliburton some contracts to rebuild New Orleans.
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i feel fairly certain that those 3,000 Louisiana National Guard troops would have been far more useful in New Orleans than in Baghdad.
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The City of New Orleans is claiming that the flooding is the federal government's fault. It's crazy. They weren't prepared. There's never been a storm like this, this is worse than Camille. And we didn't start to really get hit like this in Birmingham until Ivan less than a year ago.
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