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Old 11-17-2004, 08:51 AM   #46
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Sting again I say you are the man, every time that somebody knocks your arguments for not being emotional tug-at-heartstrings sob stories take it as a compliment that you are arguing the point properly.
I'd be afraid to argue with him. He ends up writing half a novel to defend himself.
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Old 11-17-2004, 03:48 PM   #47
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Sting is pretty tough in debates, sometimes I end up just deciding we don't agree on Issue X and we never will.
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Old 11-17-2004, 05:06 PM   #48
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That's about the best way to surrender. He probably never knew you were actually surrendering until now.
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Old 11-17-2004, 06:32 PM   #49
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I hate to deabte, just like alittle friendly banter :P
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Old 11-17-2004, 09:58 PM   #50
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I don't mind a friendly debate. It helps me understand why the opposite side feels the way they do, rather than going on thinking that each other are hypocrites and all that crap. In reality, we follow a different set of principals, and it's for the individual to decide what they believe in.
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A tragedy for all

http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
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http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
I just briefly looked at that, as much as I could

There are no words, of course..
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Old 11-18-2004, 05:05 PM   #53
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Of course there are words, rotting bodies in the street, kids with their faces torn to shreds and soldiers covered in blood. One shouldn't construct a bloodless view of what goes on there, but I suppose that the only way one could ever defend that action would be to go there themselves. Interesting article by somebody who is there talking about the relative absence of civilians.
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American forces say they are still fighting small pockets of insurgents in the city of Falluja.

Our correspondent, Paul Wood, is with American marines in the city. He gave the following interview to BBC Radio 4's Today programme:

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Q: But as you travel with the American soldiers, do you come across civilians?

We saw literally a glimpse of civilians.

We were on the roof of a building - this was the first day of the battle in fact on Wednesday - and saw people waving white flags running away. And the marines stood up to say "Keep going, it's dangerous, don't come in this direction" and as soon as they did that, a volley of gunfire came in, because they'd revealed their position. And that was the only view of civilians that we have had.

One female civilian came to be treated at the medical post here and left before I had a chance to speak to her.

But I've questioned ordinary marines, officers and they say quite truthfully, we literally don't see civilians and that is the position of, I think, most of the US forces here - they do not see civilians...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4012677.stm
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A tragedy for all

http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
I apologize, but I didn't click on the link. Reason being, I've heard plenty of bad news about this war. I've seen enough sickening images on the news. I appreciate your willingness to get me on my sensative side, and I've felt that way for a long time.

I'm sad to see so many lives taken at such a young age, but in spite of it, we still need to support our troops, regardless of whether or not were for the war. They need to know that we're praying for them, and that we want them to succeed in their mission.
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Don't ever look away, it is not pretty and nor should it sanitised.
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Don't ever look away, it is not pretty and nor should it sanitised.
What are you talking about?
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I just meant that there are no words to describe my reaction to it. I force myself to look at things like that, but it doesn't make it any less difficult.

I'm just sensitive, and I won't apologize for that.
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Mrs. Springsteen,

I agree, I force myself to look at things like that so I don't become desensitized to the news from Iraq.

I'm becoming so upset everytime I hear of a new offensive, for the loss of our soldiers lives and souls and the Iraqis.
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It is important to look at the pictures of dead and wounded civilians.

They are the only ones who had no choice in the matter. A soldier chose the military as his career, and an insurgent or terrorist chose violence. A child and his mother had nothing to do with it, no choice was given to them at all, nobody asked them if they wanted to sacrifice their lives, their children's lives, their parents' lives, their friends' lives for this.
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What are you talking about?
People have to see the result of war, every time, by looking away and ignoring it such a decision becomes that little bit easier. Also people should be paying closer attention to see the result of carbombs against a crowd of little kids, or the end product of the terrorists actions. Not to create any moral equivalence rather to see all sides of the problem.
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