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Old 03-25-2005, 11:39 AM   #361
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So kids who haven't developed enough self don't have a soul?
not the subject...
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Legal guardians are not allowed to make decisions to starve anyone to death. They can make the decision to remove life support. I beleive there is precedent in other cases that food and water do not constitute life support.

Very sticky issues. I prefer to side with Terri's life.

The 11th circuit did not re-review the merits of the case.

i'll say it again.

they are not starving someone to death in the way that we understand starving to death.

this happens ALL the time with terminally ill patients, those in comas, and people with similar conditions to Terri.

unless we pass euthanasia laws similar to those in the Netherlands where a doctor is allowed to administer a tranqulizer that will stop the lungs, this is one of the most humane ways to allow a life to end. she will not feel pain, both becuase her brain is liquid and because, as is the case with, say, a cancer patient, their pain will be carefully monitored by a doctor and morphine will be administered. the body shuts down without food and water, especially a drastically weakened body, and it is a very peaceful way to go.

i believe in the frist few pages of this thread, someone mentioned that a relative of theirs chose this method instead of face another round of painful chemo.

there is nothing unusual about this, let alone cruel.

please, don't let the highly emotional language of the far right fool you, though i see you've adopted their sanctimonious tone.

"i side with life!"

yes, of course we all like life, but that's an empty statement.

it's like when i go to left-wing protests and they hold up equally brain-dead signs that say things like, "The World Needs Justice, Not War." really!?!?!?! justice is better than war!?!?!? oh, now i get it!!!!

(that's not directed at you, just in general)
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Old 03-25-2005, 11:45 AM   #363
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Just a concerned citizen with a right to question judicial decisions
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that must make you some kind of expert. There are doctors who've given there expertice and a judge who knows the law much better than you yet you call the evidence flimsy and the judgement bad. Sounds like bias rather than anything else.
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I'm just echoing the opinion of Alan Dershowitz
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"i side with life!"

OK, to be less sanctimonious, I'll "err on the side of caution"
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unless we pass euthanasia laws similar to those in the Netherlands
Must be the only time I've ever heard the phrase "let's be more like the Netherlands"....
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Must be the only time I've ever heard the phrase "let's be more like the Netherlands"....
well, i didn't say we should do it, i just tried to represent the present situation.

but i do think we should be more like the netherlands. wonderful country. i'm all for the decriminalization of soft drugs and prostitution, and i love their ethic of social tolerance.

so, let's be more like the Netherlands.
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OK, to be less sanctimonious, I'll "err on the side of caution"
What that seems to mean is that you err on the side of your religious beliefs. But you can't impose your religious beliefs on other people in the U.S.. It would take away their freedom of choice.

Terri chose to marry Michael. Michael, by law, has legal authority. That should have been the end of the story 15 years ago.
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I could be wrong, but I believe the act of Congress called a '"trial de novo", or a trial de novo was assumed to be required when changing the jurisdiction to the federal courts.
All Congress could do was let the federal courts to decide the case. It was not within their jurisdiction to order the feeding tube put in. They *wanted* the federal courts to put it in, but they could not require it.

Just because the federal courts did not give Congress what they wanted did not mean the judiciary was out-of-bounds. Again, the judiciary is not a rubber stamp for the conservative agenda.

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Her husband used her for the lawsuit money then has been praying for her to die ever since he found a new gf.


Terri is not a vegtable.
She has cognitive skills.
She laughs
She swallows
She remembers.

Her estranged husband will have a lot to answer for in the next life.
He is assisting in her murder.

He was never a husband at all much less a human being.

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Terri is not a vegtable.
She has cognitive skills.
She laughs
She swallows
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really?

when did you examine her? where did you get your medical degree?
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really?

when did you examine her? where did you get your medical degree?
Unless you're living under a rock or or a deathmute maybe you havn't been listening to Terri's parents, siblings and various Dr's who have examined her and/or spent time with her, unliked her estranged husband.

You have however seemed to grasp onto the misinformation that has beed spued thru out main stream media.

If Micheal Schiiavo were a real man he would deliver the care and guardianship of Terri to Mr and Mrs Schlinder Terri's parents- people who really love her.

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Unless you're living under a rock or or a deathmute maybe you havn't been listening to Terri's parents, siblings and various Dr's who have examined her and/or spent time with her, unliked her estranged husband.

You have however seemed to grasp onto the misinformation that has beed spued thru out main stream media.

If Micheal Schiiavo were a real man he would deliver the care and guardianship of Terri to Mr and Mrs Schlinder Terri's parents- people who really love her.

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The care that Bush, far from a real man, is trying to cut off in his zeal to scale back medicaid ?
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The care that Bush, far from a real man, is trying to cut off in his zeal to scale back medicaid ?
different thread, bush hater.

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Unless you're living under a rock or or a deathmute maybe you havn't been listening to Terri's parents, siblings and various Dr's who have examined her and/or spent time with her, unliked her estranged husband.

You have however seemed to grasp onto the misinformation that has beed spued thru main stream media.

If Micheal Schiiavo were a real man he would deliver the care and guardianship of Terri to Mr and Mrs Schlinder Terri's parents.

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good lord.

you are watching selected segments of videotapes thave have been culled over years and years and sewn together into a propaganda video. THAT is the misinformation. the woman has spinal fluid where once a brain was. no one argues that.

there's no organized propaganda campaign behind Michael Schiavo, as opposed to the Schindler's who've amassed the nation's pro-life warriors and even venomous politicans like Tom Delay.

you have absolutely NO basis for your "diagnosis" of Terri's condition beyond what they've told you, and what they've told you is in their bests interests.

besides, my father is a doctor, and he disagrees with each and everyone one of your characterizations of her condition.

though Jonathan Edwards, of "Crossing Over" fame, does agree with you and told us so on "Fox and Friends."
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