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Old 03-23-2005, 07:13 AM   #211
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Maybe it's possible that the law should have protected Terri from her husband- like I've said, I don't know. It's too late for that, unfortunately.

The law doesn't always result in what's morally right and what protects innocent people.

The legal system is frustrating and unfair, that's just my humble opinion about it
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Old 03-23-2005, 07:14 AM   #212
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I find it frustrating that those who argue for extending her life are so willing to destroy the life of others...namely her husband...the innuendo that he was some how responsible for this is too much...and totally un-Christian...but like I said the right wing will do anything to accoplish it's goals...fortunately being a Christian isn't the same thing...
I'm not doing anything of the sort, I have questions about him based upon this affidavit and other information, and my own life experiences and instincts. I don't know the truth about him and neither do you. I think questions and concerns about him are relevant.

I'm a Christian but I have no "right wing' agenda at all in this. Thanks for making that judgment about me though and about what kind of Christian I am.
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You have no right to decide...or make any judgements.
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I would have let her starve if it would have saved her 14 years of lifelessness
Dozens of doctors involved in this case would disagree that she is "dead." We haven't seen all of the firsthand evidence. They have.
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So have the courts...but you aren't gonna let law get in your way...
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You have no right to decide...or make any judgements.
Such as this?

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This is one of the greatest tragidies of this case...how the right wing will demonize any one who gets in their way...according to the court appointed independent guardian Mr. Shiavo was at his wife's side for the first four years and atteseted to the quaility care HE made sure she received...there came a point when he realized she was not going to get better, and as a young man still he moved on in his life...NOW he is the villian according to people like you...why is it hard for you to believe that Terri would not want to live like this...I know I wouldn't, in fact MOST people wouldn't...so stop trying to put what you would do on the rest of us...and that includes Terri...YOU didn't love her, YOU don't love her, YOU don't know her...her HUSBAND did...
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The dark areas are spinal fluid. All that's left is some edge cortex, and that's decomposing. This is the image that the judges have all looked at to determine that there is no hope of recovery here.
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I find it frustrating that those who argue for extending her life are so willing to destroy the life of others...namely her husband...the innuendo that he was some how responsible for this is too much...and totally un-Christian...but like I said the right wing will do anything to accomplish it's goals...fortunately being a Christian isn't the same thing...
So you're saying the husband's right to get rid of her is the most important thing here? Is his life 'destroyed' because he can't dump his ball and chain? That's cold. And my post had nothing at all to do with Christianity or anything religious or political. I was just talking about right and wrong and common human compassion for Terri and her family.
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So have the courts...but you aren't gonna let law get in your way...
Get in the way of what, my opinion?
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You have no right to decide...or make any judgements.
Did I say I did? Or are you just not reading what I'm saying?

Do you have the right ?

Actually I'm a Democrat w/ moderate/liberal views on many things, so you're wrong about that.
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That was taken from a BLOG site. Find a CREDIBLE site.
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Okay, this thread has gone VERY well so far. Let's everyone take a step back and realize that not one of us, nor anyone involved in this case, has all the answers. There is a whole lot of gray area involved.

I'd hate to have to close this thread while the issue is still relevant.
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PS..Stray Dog..do I see a U2 lyric here? "Don't beleive in what they tell me, there ain't no cure..the rich stay healthy, and the sick stay poor."
nice observation...
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That was taken from a BLOG site. Find a CREDIBLE site.
Do you think the judges were all reading BLOGS when they made their rulings? ALL in favor of Michael Shiavo? NOT even ONE ruling has been in favor of their parents.

Doesn't that tell you something?

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Yes, she has. She has a brain stem and dead cerebral cortex. It's clearly dead too, because it decomposed and there is spinal fluid where brain once was. With only a brain stem, she is not conscious; the brain stem only transmits involuntary reflexes.



She cannot go to a treatment center, because she does not have enough brain function to be in a treatment center.



I worked on an entire website on terminal illness and death back in 2001. I learned more about death than I ever really needed or wanted to know. It is not an "excrutiating death." For the dying, it is actually "excrutiating" to force-feed or force-hydrate someone who does not want it. In hospices, before they understood this, there were often cases of patients drowning of accumulated fluid in their lungs, because a dying person loses the ability to process fluids.

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