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Old 01-22-2007, 12:46 PM   #1
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Bush: State of the Union

[q]State of the Union: Unhappy With Bush
Bush's 33 Percent Approval Rating Lowest Since Nixon for President Entering State of the Union Speech

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By GARY LANGER
Jan. 22, 2007 — - President Bush faces the nation this week more unpopular than any president on the eve of a State of the Union address since Richard Nixon in 1974.

Nixon was beleaguered by the Watergate scandal; for Bush, three decades later, it's the war in Iraq. With his unpopular troop surge on the table, his job rating matches the worst of his presidency: Thirty-three percent of Americans approve of his work in office while 65 percent disapprove, 2-1 negative, matching his career low last May.

Only three postwar presidents have gone lower -- Jimmy Carter, Nixon and Harry Truman. And only one has had a higher disapproval rating, Nixon.

For Bush, the bad news just starts there. Dismay over the unpopular war is dragging him down across the board, from his personal ratings to his position vis-à-vis the resurgent Democrats. It's all a remarkable comedown for a president who, shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, saw his approval rating soar to the highest for any president in polls since 1938.

Today, by contrast, 71 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll say the country is headed seriously off on the wrong track -- the most since budget battles led to a highly unpopular government shutdown in early 1996. Bush's war leadership clearly is the prime complaint: Sixty-four percent call the war a mistake, more than said so about Vietnam during that conflict.

The intensity of sentiment, moreover, has only grown: Fifty-one percent of Americans now "strongly" disapprove of Bush's job performance overall, a majority for the first time. Just 17 percent strongly approve -- a 3-1 negative ratio.

Through a partisan lens, three-quarters of Republicans continue to approve of Bush -- but with much diminished vigor. There are only about half as many Republicans who "strongly" approve (42 percent) as there are Democrats who strongly disapprove (76 percent). And among two of his core support groups, conservatives and evangelical white Protestants, he's at career lows in overall approval.[/q]



clearly, the president has his work cut out for him. with rumors that he's going to suggest that America needs to wean itself off of oil and even admit that, yes, global warming is a very real thing, it seems as if he's admitting defeat and pulling to the left.

does he have a chance to salvage his wreckage of a presidency? can the president save himself from the dustbin of history? or is it too little, too late?
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:07 PM   #2
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History didn't treat the copperheads too well.

As for global warming the politics are now out there; denialists versus the responsible (since anything sort of ecopocalypse is politically incorrect) ~ ignoring the niggling details about Kyoto not actually doing anything at all for the fact of the greenhouse effect or the problems in formulating an effective strategy given the nonlinear relationship between carbon dioxide concentrations and global climate.
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I think it's too late for him to save the presidency. Plus, just because he says things like we need to find alternative sources of energy, doesn't mean that he will take any actions to move towards that. I think he has too much history with the big oil businesses to actually take action against the oil industry. That's just one example though. I'm more focused on the 2008 elections, to me, he's already a lame duck president and his State of the Union speech won't change that.
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Bush has been a lame duck since 2000.
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Followed by US Sen. Jim Webb D-VA !!!!!!

Two Virginia Democrats delivering the response 2 years in a row, while the Virginia GOP continues to make bigots of themselves. Crazy world.
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Followed by US Sen. Jim Webb D-VA !!!!!!

Two Virginia Democrats delivering the response 2 years in a row, while the Virginia GOP continues to make bigots of themselves. Crazy world.
hellz yea! we need it. VA congressmen have been giving us a bad rep lately.
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So, State of the Union is the President tells you how much time is left for the nation?

Or is it just this: "We have achieved this, secured that, did that, am gonna to bla..."?
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[q]State of the Union: Unhappy With Bush
Bush's 33 Percent Approval Rating Lowest Since Nixon for President Entering State of the Union Speech

ANALYSIS
By GARY LANGER
Jan. 22, 2007 — - President Bush faces the nation this week more unpopular than any president on the eve of a State of the Union address since Richard Nixon in 1974.

Nixon was beleaguered by the Watergate scandal; for Bush, three decades later, it's the war in Iraq. With his unpopular troop surge on the table, his job rating matches the worst of his presidency: Thirty-three percent of Americans approve of his work in office while 65 percent disapprove, 2-1 negative, matching his career low last May.

Only three postwar presidents have gone lower -- Jimmy Carter, Nixon and Harry Truman. And only one has had a higher disapproval rating, Nixon.

For Bush, the bad news just starts there. Dismay over the unpopular war is dragging him down across the board, from his personal ratings to his position vis-à-vis the resurgent Democrats. It's all a remarkable comedown for a president who, shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, saw his approval rating soar to the highest for any president in polls since 1938.

Today, by contrast, 71 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll say the country is headed seriously off on the wrong track -- the most since budget battles led to a highly unpopular government shutdown in early 1996. Bush's war leadership clearly is the prime complaint: Sixty-four percent call the war a mistake, more than said so about Vietnam during that conflict.

The intensity of sentiment, moreover, has only grown: Fifty-one percent of Americans now "strongly" disapprove of Bush's job performance overall, a majority for the first time. Just 17 percent strongly approve -- a 3-1 negative ratio.

Through a partisan lens, three-quarters of Republicans continue to approve of Bush -- but with much diminished vigor. There are only about half as many Republicans who "strongly" approve (42 percent) as there are Democrats who strongly disapprove (76 percent). And among two of his core support groups, conservatives and evangelical white Protestants, he's at career lows in overall approval.[/q]



clearly, the president has his work cut out for him. with rumors that he's going to suggest that America needs to wean itself off of oil and even admit that, yes, global warming is a very real thing, it seems as if he's admitting defeat and pulling to the left.

does he have a chance to salvage his wreckage of a presidency? can the president save himself from the dustbin of history? or is it too little, too late?
The President already won, he won re-election in 2004 despite the best efforts of the liberals to prevent that from happening. With regards to the most important issues facing the country, the war in Iraq, the President is continuing ahead with his plans, while the Democrats are going to pass an irrelevant resolution in Congress.

The poll numbers are really no different from last May, but its made to look like this is some shocking brand new low for the President. Polls will come and go, but the President will continue to do what he thinks his best for the country. Congress is not going to cut off funding to the troops in Iraq. There is not going to be any impeachment of the President either as so many liberals hoped for.

The United States economy is doing fantastic with unemployment at historic lows of 4.5%. The latest UN Human Development Index reports that the United States has the 8th highest standard of living in the world in 2006. Surprisingly, gas prices are predicted to continue to fall which will benefit the economy even more.

No one judges Harry Truman by his low poll approval numbers of 19%, so will it be with Bush. There is not enough time in Bush's presidency left to complete the nationbuilding and counterinsurgency task left in Iraq. That will be left to the next administration, and the choices they make will determine the outcome. Hopefully, by then whoever gets elected will have recognized that to much has been accomplished and that abandoning the situation as so many have proposed doing could ruin everything, turn Iraq into 1990s Afghanistan, and damage US security, as well as create conditions that could lead to a far more costly war years down the road.

As for as oil and energy independence goes, its a worldwide issue, not one for any particular country. The interconnected global economy means that no country is immune from a crises in the Persian Gulf, regardless of what they use for energy. If the global economy as a whole is impacted by a crises in the Persian Gulf, so will every country that participates in the global economy at any level.
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So, State of the Union is the President tells you how much time is left for the nation?

Or is it just this: "We have achieved this, secured that, did that, am gonna to bla..."?
The latter. Basically, he'll talk about all the great stuff achieved during the last year, then outline his proposed legislative agenda for the next year, everyone from his own party applauds enthusiastically along, then a member of the opposition party offers a response. It's actually required by the Constitution, though technically it can be a written address rather than a spoken one--that hardly ever happens, though. The Supreme Court justices, Cabinet members, and most all Congresspeople attend.
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Ah, ok, I suspected such a thing.
Luckily Merkel doesn't do that, so we don't have to hear how well the Grand Coalition is sleeping.
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Re: Re: Bush: State of the Union

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The President already won, he won re-election in 2004 despite the best efforts of the liberals to prevent that from happening.


oh, STING, protect us from the liberals! blame the media! combat insurrection from within!

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I heard the Dixie Chicks were performing.
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[B] The poll numbers are really no different from last May, but its made to look like this is some shocking brand new low for the President. Polls will come and go, but the President will continue to do what he thinks his best for the country. /B]


and if you read, you'll see that what's significant is that he's been so low for so long and his DISAPPROVAL numbers are second only to Nixon after Watergate. and all anyone talks about with Nixon and Carter are how low their approval ratings are, what a disaster their presidency was, and what a criminal they were.

why should Bush take after Truman, but not the others?

but, please, carry on.
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Bush is a lame duck. This speech isn't going to change a damn thing for me.
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Well, at least abroad Bush has no chance anymore to get a good reputation at all.
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