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Old 01-23-2007, 08:16 PM   #46
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Uh-huh, interesting . . . I wish there was a good State of the Union drinking game .
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I had a link sent to me with a SOTU drinking game but i forgot what the address was...


30 min until 9...who's pumped?!?!


I'm really looking forward to Sen. Webb more than anything.
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Uh-huh, interesting . . . I wish there was a good State of the Union drinking game .


That's what I was telling a friend last night. Every time Bush references "tare-rists", every time he uses the word "prevail", makes misleading references to 9/11 as the reason we're at war in Iraq, etc. take a swig. You could get drunk pretty fast and hey, it would probably make the speech slightly bearable.

As for myself, I won't be watching. (But I might be drinking... )
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The cost in human lives in Iraq is under 60,000 after four years,


[q]Study says violence in Iraq has been underreported



On page 94 of its report, the Iraq Study Group found that there had been "significant under-reporting of the violence in Iraq." The reason, the group said, was because the tracking system was designed in a way that minimized the deaths of Iraqis.

"The standard for recording attacks acts a filter to keep events out of reports and databases," the report said. "A murder of an Iraqi is not necessarily counted as an attack. If we cannot determine the source of a sectarian attack, that assault does not make it into the database. A roadside bomb or a rocket or mortar attack that doesn't hurt U.S. personnel doesn't count."

"Good policy is difficult to make when information is systematically collected in a way that minimizes its discrepancy with policy goals," the report continued.

The finding confirmed a Sept. 8 McClatchy Newspapers report that U.S. officials excluded scores of people killed in car bombings and mortar attacks from tabulations measuring the results of a drive to reduce violence in Baghdad.

By excluding that data, U.S. officials were able to boast that deaths from sectarian violence in the Iraqi capital had declined by more than 52 percent between July and August, McClatchy newspapers reported.

The ISG report said that U.S. officials reported 93 attacks or significant acts of violence on one day in July. "Yet a careful review of the reports for that single day brought to light more than 1,100 acts of violence," it said.
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Its clear what the obsession is with calling Iraq a "Civil War" when its not one. Obviously, they think if they can convince everyone that its a "Civil War", then its not our war, and we should just leave. Instead of being and objective assessment of the situation, its simply a way of building support for a premature withdrawal from Iraq. .


you really are McCarthy part 2. everyone who disagrees with you is an insurrectionist. right.

the definition of a Civil War rests upon two factors:

1. two warring groups withing a particular country are fighting for control of the political center, control over a separatist state, or to force a major change in policy

2. at least 1000 people must have been killed in total, with at least 100 from each side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war



clearly, Iraq meets these definitions.
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There is no Iraq eh? Was there ever really a Bosnia or a Bosnian? There is far more evidence for there being an Iraq and Iraqi's than there is for there being a Bosnia.





honey, there was no YUGOSLAVIA.
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Every time Bush references "tare-rists", every time he uses the word "prevail", makes misleading references to 9/11 as the reason we're at war in Iraq, etc. take a swig.
Yeah, I was thinking about that, but then I have to work tomorrow. Shucks .
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That's what I was telling a friend last night. Every time Bush references "tare-rists", every time he uses the word "prevail", makes misleading references to 9/11 as the reason we're at war in Iraq, etc. take a swig.
Wouldn't it be fun if Dubya hisself had to take a swig everytime he said those things?
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Wouldn't it be fun if Dubya hisself had to take a swig everytime he said those things?
He has a hard enough time talking without the liquor. As Jon Stewart said last night, the State of the Union sets the stage for a bitter rivalry - Bush vs. words. So far, words are ahead 3 to 2.
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Was there ever really a Bosnia or a Bosnian? There is far more evidence for there being an Iraq and Iraqi's than there is for there being a Bosnia.
Um, wtf? Yes, there is such a thing as a Bosnian.
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Is it wrong of me to hope that the State of the Union stuff is off my TV by 7:30 PST so I can watch a friend of mine on Jeopardy?

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Is it wrong of me to hope that the State of the Union stuff is off my TV by 7:30 PST so I can watch a friend of mine on Jeopardy?

Heck no!

Good luck to your friend .

Tom Brokaw's on MSNBC. I miss Tom .
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Oh, my friend loses. It was taped months ago.

I called my parents to tell them to use their Republican powers to tell Bush to keep it short.

They said it was estimated to be 40 minutes ... without applause.

I tried watching the SotU a few times in the past, but the applause every third sentence made me want to hurl a brick at my TV.
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Oh, my friend loses. It was taped months ago.

I called my parents to tell them to use their Republican powers to tell Bush to keep it short.

They said it was estimated to be 40 minutes ... without applause.

I tried watching the SotU a few times in the past, but the applause every third sentence made me want to hurl a brick at my TV.
Bummer

At least he's not getting a lot of standing ovations. Goes quicker that way .
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am impressed so far.

a gracious acknolwedgement of Speaker Pelosi (who had an amazing first week).

he wants to reduce oil consumption by 20% in the next 10 years. not bad.

and he spoke the words "global climate change."

that's progress.
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